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Gee,.....that didn't sound like bashing at all to me. Maybe I missed something,
but it just sounded like a perspective observation.
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<P>Steven Maxwell wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <FONT FACE="MS Sans Serif"> At least Ed's
doing it here and not in Model Aviation, unlike the article by Mike Hurley
a couple years ago, just explaining his experience.</FONT><FONT FACE="MS Sans Serif"> Steve
Maxwell</FONT>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 3/2/2006 11:22:51 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] IMAC
Vs Pattern Participation? DoestheDogHunt on poin...</DIV>
<FONT SIZE=-1> </FONT><FONT SIZE=-1>Ed.......</FONT><FONT SIZE=-1>.This
is a pattern list..There is no reason to bash IMAC here. I respect the
IMAC group for what it has brought to many modelers,mfg, and sport
flyers in general It took a lot of work to get where they are now..</FONT><FONT SIZE=-1> As
the past statements on the list show IMAC is doing very well..</FONT><FONT SIZE=-1> Pattern
is great and so is IMAC. I fly both for many years and enjoy both groups.</FONT><FONT SIZE=-1>I
am proud to be a member of both. Pattern is doing very well..</FONT><FONT SIZE=-1> WE
have many contest and I see more promotions to bring in more
members.Pattern will always be there for the precision pilot.</FONT><FONT SIZE=-1> </FONT><FONT SIZE=-1>IMAC
is doing extremely well.... I cant go on and on because this is the pattern
list. but</FONT><FONT SIZE=-1>it is to bad you did not have a good
experience in IMAC ... lets leave it like that.</FONT><FONT SIZE=-1>fly
pattern and stay in the pattern group.</FONT><FONT SIZE=-1>Marguerite</FONT><FONT SIZE=-1> </FONT><FONT SIZE=-1> </FONT><FONT SIZE=-1> </FONT><FONT SIZE=-1> </FONT><FONT SIZE=-1>In
a message dated 3/2/2006 9:21:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, ed_alt@hotmail.com
writes:</FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>Brett:</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>I
think there's really a couple of tiers of SA pilots, with some very polished
precision flyers in the top ranks. You are right though, there's
also a good sized contingent that handle their sleds the way you describe.
Often, they are the "checkbook pilots" who recently arrived on the scene
and are just plopping recipes together and playing follow the leader as
best they can. Dave Michael made some excellent points, one of which
I would dub the "fade factor" with SA pilots. Everything he said
was right on - the planes have great appeal, they get tons of press, you
see them everywhere etc. So it attracts the masses. To a degree,
that's great because it does help everything grow at a rapid pace.
On the other hand, it can lead to an implosion, such as what seems to currently
be happening in the NE region. When all you have to do is buy your
way in, the event tends to attract larger numbers of peop! le with no particular
awareness or concern over what it takes to be an actual modeler involved
with precision aerobatics. That's what it seems like from here at
least.</FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=-1> </FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>Dave
had some great ideas about promoting Pattern, which have mostly worked
for IMAC / SA. I think that the main thing that we have to avoid
is anything that would veer us away from concentration on precision, which
is where IMAC has led the SA rules recently. Sequence design has also run
amok with IMAC calling the shots every year over what goes in the AMA rulebook,
resulting in what amounts to variations on methods to display snap rolls
to the crowd. It's a lazy way to run up the K-factors in the sequences,
which has become even more problematic for them since they have shortened
the sequences to about 10 figures per class. Mess up one snap in
a high K figure and you are done, hence they have done ever more to encourage
snap cheats, all the while they valiantly attempt to teach otherwise in
judging clinics. For proof, check a couple of the RCU experts forums,
where they describe how they do snap! cheats to help teach the masses.
That's what SA pilots are going to school on for the most part.</FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=-1> </FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>We
can learn a bunch from IMAC, good and bad.</FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=-1> </FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>Ed</FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=-1> </FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>-----
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terry</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT SIZE=-1><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March
02, 2006 8:37 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT SIZE=-1><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
IMAC Vs Pattern Participation? Does theDogHunt on points made?</FONT></DIV>
<FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>At my last IMAC competition I tried
to present my maneuvers somewhat close, tried to be precise, and tried
to increase the visibility of my plane. The judges told me to fly
further away, because it can slow down the routine. People were flying
the back side of the roller at the limits of vision, and this is with 35%
- 40% planes! Some of these planes could fly away from the transmitter,
and still be within vision limits. So much for positioning and "presentation".
It is exceedingly difficult to recognize the difference between a vertical
line and 15 degrees off...The deviation point deductions are mere speculation.
Forget about trying to determine the number of wingspan deviations during
a hammerhead.</FONT></FONT>
<P><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>Most people, myself included, want
to learn all the fun freestyle tricks with the big planes. Most spectators
don't care about how well an IMAC plane can slow roll, or main! tain track
during unweighted snaps, or perform precision aerobatics, they want to
see it blast out of a hover, Panic, Blender, Rolling Harrier, Roller Coaster,
Waterfall, and in general act like a foamie.</FONT></FONT>
<P><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>It has become the Olympic Snowboard
Half Pipe event of the model airplane world, including the requisite adjectives,
"Extreme", "Alternative" (if 'alternative' is in the mainstream, can it
still be considered 'alternative'?), "Radical", "Hucking", etc.</FONT></FONT>
<P><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>There, I feel better now. Back
to precision. Of course, I do enjoy the turnaround setup...</FONT></FONT>
<P><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>Brett</FONT></FONT>
<BR> <SPAN class=gmail_quote><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>On 3/2/06,
<B>Ed Alt</B> <<A HREF="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com" title="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN></FONT></FONT>
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<DIV style="DIRECTION: ltr"><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>For all practical
purposes, Scale Aerobatics has no box anymore. It exists as an abstract
concept on a piece of paper in that it has a defined height, width and
depth, but since they eliminated the 75 degree markers, there is nothing
left to measure it against. Additionally, they eliminated the concept
of zones, so you are free to place things where it seems good to place
them, i.e., a figure that would appear to be meant for the center of the
box doesn't have to be flown directly in front of you. Your choice of placement
has some kind of connection to the so-called Presentation Score as it was
originally 'defined'. There are no deductions for centering inaccuracy.
Once you enter the box, you still need to get figures in the correct order
and direction, though cross box figures leave direction (in or out) to
the discretion of the pilot. Currently, there may or may not be enforcement
of a pure impressio! nist extra figure known as the Presentation Score.
It passed as a rule, then everyone was instructed by the IMAC BOD not to
follow the AMA rule they pushed through. I heard rumblings that maybe
they are going to allow or encourage CDs to follow that rule again.
Not sure, I don't really track what they do very closely anymore.</FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=-1> </FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>Ed</FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=-1> </FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>-----
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