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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bob:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Pardon the pun, but IMAC learning from Pattern has
fallen on deaf ears in some cases. I know from a friend and former
BOD member that often when he tried to get them to apply a lesson previously
learned in Pattern, he was shooed away with a "IMAC isn't Pattern"
scolding. This involved topics such as re-establishing box boundaries to
help control the noise footprint. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Here's the thing with IMAC: It's charter says
something about copying full scale IAC. Some people apply that too
literally and it tends to result in blind adoption of things like the
elimination of 75 degree box markers. Well heck, they can do that in IAC
because they station boundary judges at the edges and rear of the box! Any
volunteers to stand in the muddy bank of the Delware River this fall when our
club runs another SA contest? Probably not.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Some things just don't translate properly when
applied to model aviation, but the AMA SA rules have been sharply influenced in
recent years by a "do it the IAC way" mindset in the IMAC SIG. This, along
with careless sequence design may well be contributing to fields being are
lost at higher rates than they otherwise might. Yeah, its their event and they
can have it their way, but as Dean illustrated with a recent real world example,
it can cross over and affect ours. A little more responsibility re. how to
intelligently control the noise footprint seems to be in order.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=bob@toprudder.com href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 03, 2006 7:35
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Noise -
Overfly - and Different AerobaticModel Types</DIV>
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<DIV>Dean,</DIV>
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<DIV>Right on point. I've been involved with a flying field lost due to noise,
and was also involved in a successful fight to keep a field open after
neighbor's complaints. Better to be reasonably quiet in the first place. Once
you have upset the neighbors to the point that they start to complain, their
"threshold of pain" becomes much lower. Once they have made up their minds
they don't like you, they probably never will like you again, regardless of
what you do.</DIV>
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<DIV>The one - maybe the only - big negative that I see with IMAC is the noise
level along with the noise footprint. But, you know, 20 years ago you
could say the same thing about pattern. I just hope the guys in IMAC (and
giant scale in general) can learn from the mistakes made in pattern --
BEFORE flying fields are lost for both camps!</DIV>
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<DIV>Bob R.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Dean Pappas <d.pappas@kodeos.com></! I></B>
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<DIV>Hi Dave,<BR>What I hope we are saying here, is that being smart and
making our aerobatic planes quiet is good for the continued survival of both
events. Of course, if flyers with large, loud, and far-away 40% planes lose
all our practice fields and practice sites ...<BR><BR>This is just how the
West Windsor contest in Jersey became a "first annual and only ever"
event.<BR>Sadly, I have to say that two or three IMACers joined the club,
and within a few months, we had no Pattern Contest, a 6:00 P.M. weekday
curfew on wet power, and neighbors who are now very aware of our existence.
Being noticed ain't always a good thing! Smart noise abatement programs are
aimed at preventing that first complaint. Once it happens, it's almost too
late.<BR>..............................</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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