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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Bill:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I do remember many of those debates. I sometimes
wonder if this no box marker / zoneless box / presentation score stuff
would have made it through had we both stayed in there. Oh well, life goes
on. Other things are more important now.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=billglaze@triad.rr.com href="mailto:billglaze@triad.rr.com">Bill
Glaze</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 03, 2006 10:13
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Noise -
Overfly - andDifferent AerobaticModel Types</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ed: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Scratching your memory, I remember when we were on IMAC
BOD that we both warned the others about too slavishly trying to copy the full
scale stuff, and that "one size fits all" didn't always work.
Still and all, I'm glad to see comparisons about the organizations; any
rational person has to observe that they didn't get where they are presently
without having some good ideas, and applying them. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>We can always expect mistakes to be made; the true
measure is how quickly they are corrected. Or so I see it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed Alt</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 03, 2006 8:02
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Noise -
Overfly - and Different AerobaticModel Types</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bob:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Pardon the pun, but IMAC learning from Pattern
has fallen on deaf ears in some cases. I know from a friend
and former BOD member that often when he tried to get them to apply a
lesson previously learned in Pattern, he was shooed away with a "IMAC isn't
Pattern" scolding. This involved topics such as re-establishing box
boundaries to help control the noise footprint. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Here's the thing with IMAC: It's charter
says something about copying full scale IAC. Some people apply that
too literally and it tends to result in blind adoption of things like the
elimination of 75 degree box markers. Well heck, they can do that in
IAC because they station boundary judges at the edges and rear of the
box! Any volunteers to stand in the muddy bank of the Delware River
this fall when our club runs another SA contest? Probably
not.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Some things just don't translate properly when
applied to model aviation, but the AMA SA rules have been sharply influenced
in recent years by a "do it the IAC way" mindset in the IMAC SIG.
This, along with careless sequence design may well be contributing to
fields being are lost at higher rates than they otherwise might. Yeah, its
their event and they can have it their way, but as Dean illustrated with a
recent real world example, it can cross over and affect ours. A little more
responsibility re. how to intelligently control the noise footprint seems to
be in order.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=bob@toprudder.com href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">Bob
Richards</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 03, 2006 7:35
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Noise
- Overfly - and Different AerobaticModel Types</DIV>
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<DIV>Dean,</DIV>
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<DIV>Right on point. I've been involved with a flying field lost due to
noise, and was also involved in a successful fight to keep a field open
after neighbor's complaints. Better to be reasonably quiet in the first
place. Once you have upset the neighbors to the point that they start to
complain, their "threshold of pain" becomes much lower. Once they have
made up their minds they don't like you, they probably never will like you
again, regardless of what you do.</DIV>
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<DIV>The one - maybe the only - big negative that I see with IMAC is the
noise level along with the noise footprint. But, you know, 20 years
ago you could say the same thing about pattern. I just hope the guys in
IMAC (and giant scale in general) can learn from the mistakes made in
pattern -- BEFORE flying fields are lost for both camps!</DIV>
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<DIV>Bob R.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Dean Pappas <d.pappas@kodeos.com></! I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>Hi Dave,<BR>What I hope we are saying here, is that being smart and
making our aerobatic planes quiet is good for the continued survival of
both events. Of course, if flyers with large, loud, and far-away 40%
planes lose all our practice fields and practice sites ..<BR><BR>This
is just how the West Windsor contest in Jersey became a "first annual
and only ever" event.<BR>Sadly, I have to say that two or three IMACers
joined the club, and within a few months, we had no Pattern Contest, a
6:00 P.M. weekday curfew on wet power, and neighbors who are now very
aware of our existence. Being noticed ain't always a good thing! Smart
noise abatement programs are aimed at preventing that first complaint.
Once it happens, it's almost too
late.<BR>..............................</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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