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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>OK, so what are we saying here? I think it
says that Pattern is neighborhood friendly and IMAC is noisy and rude.
While I don't think it's as bad as my good friend Ed describes, let's
say it's just like that for sake of discussion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What does this mean for Pattern?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't think this really means much
for Pattern at all. I have heard this message before-
pattern is good because it is quiet so, for that reason, it is better and people
should want to join in on the fun. That's not a strong
Marketing campaign. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Right or wrong, for most potential participants,
this is probably not even a major factor in their decision making process
to get involved- you could even make the argument that the sound drives some
people to and not away from IMAC. Now, don't get me wrong- I
agree that the big planes should be quieter (in fact, they are quieter than a
few years ago and we owe that in no small part to some of the pattern folks
I know and who may be reading this message) and that all modelers should
work to be good neighbors in order to keep flying field and events.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>However if we are talking about how to get more
participation in pattern, I think we need to look at the product. As I
outlined in an earlier post today, from a Marketing prospective Pattern faces an
uphill battle- it's not as interesting to the average flyer (prospective
customer) and there are similar disciplines (other products) that are flashier
and get more press. </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I got involved in an almost identical discussion on
this list a while back and, quite frankly, I came away with the feeling
that the "core" pattern group likes the event just the way it is now and do not
want to change it. It is perfectly fine to feel that way but you
can't have it that way and expect to see changes in participation rates.
>From where I sit- the issue of "growing pattern" is just like trying to expand
one's business. If you are determined to keep producing the same product
but are continually unhappy with your company sales you need a new CEO....
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't expect that pattern will change much and
I'm ok with that. I will fly a pattern contest or two now and again
because I like the sequence work the best, I appreciate the precision and
performance and I get a huge charge out of the demonstrated control over
the aircraft required to perform a really well flown maneuver.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But- I would probably fly in more contests
and think you would see some new faces if we tried to spruce up the product a
bit. Bill Glaze mentioned that he was considering doing
unknowns. Bill, to answer your question, I would say "go for it" and
introduce unkowns. They are a lot of fun! I believe that you
can further demonstrate your flying abilities by performing well in the
unknowns. It is a real challenge and you feel great when you do them
well.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Oh, well, that's enough for now. Gotta go put
the cannisters and three bladed prop on my 40% Extra.....
:)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dave</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed Alt</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 02, 2006 7:23
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] IMAC Vs
PatternParticipation?Does the DogHunt on points made?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jay:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Very true. Several sites formerly used for SA
contests have been lost here in the NE due to noise / neighbor
complaints during contests. I heard that another contest went away due to
liability concerns after a severe injury involving a contestant and his own
airplane, then there's another which very sadly is going away because of real
estate development (PGRC field). There's a lot of history at that
field. Anyway, the noise footprint concern is huge. We had a
request for our club to host a 2nd SA contest this year because of the loss of
so many other sites. We turned it down in part because of the fact that
the noise rules are now ignored, the box boundaries went away and the
sequences are insane, making the noise footprint problem worse than it's ever
been. Even as wide open as we think our contest field is, we've had complaints
and we didn't want to increase the exposure and risk. They better figure
out what is plainly obvious to at least some of us, because the current
profile of the event is fairly obnoxious to alot of people. The hovering
next to the pits also has the club member volunteers pretty darned annoyed and
with them as well as being concerned with liability, but the attitude by some
is that it's their right - to paraphrase - "it's IMAC, it's what we
do". </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyway, compare the D1 contest calendar to the NE
IMAC contest calendar and tell me again that IMAC is gaining while pattern is
losing. Not around here is isn't.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=lightfoot@sc.rr.com href="mailto:lightfoot@sc.rr.com">Jay
Marshall</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 02, 2006 5:24
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] IMAC Vs
Pattern Participation?Does the DogHunt on points made?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The strongest
control is the neighbors closing down the site.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Bill Glaze<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March 02, 2006 4:59
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing
List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] IMAC Vs Pattern Participation? Does the DogHunt on points
made?</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ed:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'll tell you of the latest
iteration/interpretation when I get back from Florida. I'm sure it
will be interesting. It is amazing and a little more than baffling to
me that, with the loudest airplanes in modeling, there is somewhere between
little or no effort to control the noise
footprint.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bill
Glaze</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed Alt</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=randy10926@comtekmail.com
href="mailto:randy10926@comtekmail.com">randy10926@comtekmail.com</A> ; <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Thursday, March 02, 2006 4:48 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] IMAC Vs Pattern Participation? Does the DogHunt on
points made?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">For all practical
purposes, Scale Aerobatics has no box anymore. It exists as an
abstract concept on a piece of paper in that it has a defined height,
width and depth, but since they eliminated the 75 degree markers, there is
nothing left to measure it against. Additionally, they eliminated
the concept of zones, so you are free to place things where it seems good
to place them, i.e., a figure that would appear to be meant for the center
of the box doesn't have to be flown directly in front of you. Your
choice of placement has some kind of connection to the so-called
Presentation Score as it was originally 'defined'. There are no
deductions for centering inaccuracy. Once you enter the box, you
still need to get figures in the correct order and direction, though cross
box figures leave direction (in or out) to the discretion of the
pilot. Currently, there may or may not be enforcement of a
pure impressionist extra figure known as the Presentation
Score. It passed as a rule, then everyone was instructed by the IMAC
BOD not to follow the AMA rule they pushed through. I heard
rumblings that maybe they are going to allow or encourage CDs to follow
that rule again. Not sure, I don't really track what they do very
closely anymore.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ed</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=randy10926@comtekmail.com
href="mailto:randy10926@comtekmail.com">Glenn Hatfield</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Thursday, March 02, 2006 4:21 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] IMAC Vs Pattern Participation? Does the DogHunt on
points made?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You can fly low slow and
close in if you desire. The box that you fly in is smaller
for pattern than IMAC. You get too close in and the box gets
really small. The box is about the right size for a 2 meter
at 150 to 170 Meters parallel to the flight line. You might be
able to fly a 50 sized at 125 to 150 meters. At least I
do.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 5.0pt"><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Randy<BR> <BR>--- "Jay
Marshall" <lightfoot@sc.rr.com> wrote:<BR> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> "Jay Marshall"
<lightfoot@sc.rr.com><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Date:</SPAN></B> Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:51:24
-0500<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> "'NSRCA
Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
IMAC Vs Pattern Participation? Does the DogHunt on points
made?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’m new and saw
my first contests last year. My first impression was “Why do they fly so
high?” Then I wondered what would happen if I flew low, slow and close
in with <SPAN class=grame>a</SPAN> Oxalys 50? <SPAN class=grame>Still
wondering.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><O:P></O:P>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>mike
mueller<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday,
March 02, 2006 2:14 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
IMAC Vs Pattern Participation? Does the DogHunt on points
made?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P> You know what, Keith is right.
We have a really good flyer that comes to one of our contests about once
a year. He flys his whole sequence right off the deck like a bat out of
hell. He's really good and can pull it off. The deal excites everyone.
It's a blast to watch. <BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Keith Black
<tkeithb@comcast.net></SPAN></I></B> wrote:
<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Reading the comments here
brings the following to my
attention.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>Loud "ballistic
missile" pattern = Huge
popularity.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Quite graceful pattern
flying 150 m away =
Boring.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Huge
Loud IMAC planes flying 3D = Huge
popularity.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </D!
IV> <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I
bet if we add an "Extreme Pattern" class where we do high slow rolls and
snaps ten feed off the deck right over the runway we'd become much more
popular again. ;-)</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>Keith
Black</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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<P class=MsoNormal
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>----- Original
Message ----- <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=bob@toprudder.com href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com"
target=_blank>Bob Richards</A>
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>NSRCA
Mailing List</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Thursday, Ma! rch 02, 2006 8:55
AM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] IMAC Vs Pattern Participation? Does the DogHunt
on points made?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P>Larry,<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P>Good
points.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P>A little history, as best as I can
remember it. <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P>At one time, Pattern was the top of
the heap. I remember the first RC Modeler magazine I bought (circa
1972) had coverage of the Masters competition. RC Modeler carried
coverage of the large pattern contests back then. At some point (I
don't remember when, exactly) RCM (aka Don Dewey) became ticked off at
the AMA because AMA chose to publish their own magazine. This happened
when American Aircraft Modeler magazine went out of business, they had
been publishing the AMA News in the back of their magazine. It seemed
to me that RCM no longer covered pattern events after that. There was
a big push by RCM to promote the "Sport Flyers Associat! ion",
anything AMA sanctioned was left out. (This was my
observation).<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P>Along came the TOC, which actually
started out with pattern models. Again, t! here was coverage. But,
then the TOC went the scale aerobatics route (and extra points for
biplanes, and extra points for mammoth planes -- the rest is
history).<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P>Pattern is no longer the premiere
event that it used to be. I think it all goes back to the WOW factor.
There also seemed to be a period where pattern flyers were looked down
upon, usually labeled "snobs". Thank goodnes that does not seem to be
the case anymore.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P>I think the change from loud,
ballistic missle type flying to the turnaround style now has changed
the general modeling perception, although it took several years for
the general modeling public to recognize the change.
<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P>However, the turnaround format
seems to have had both a positive and negati! ve effect. The general
modeling public respects pattern more as a result, but it also SEEMS
to be a barrier for new participants. Again, this is just my
opinion.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </D!
iv> <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Bob
R.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Lisa & Larry
<lld613@psci.net></SPAN></I></B>
wrote:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 3pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 3pt; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none">
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Eric
Henderson wrote****</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> If we knew why we could
probably fix it.<FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy">
****<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>From
my viewpoint trying to get into pattern around 1999 was a major
challenge.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>I
was first introduced to Pattern in <ST1:PLACE u1:st="on">Southern
California</ST1:PLACE> in 1985 when I went to watch a contest. It
took another 15 years to have the time and money to do it. For me
lack of time was because of my service in the US Navy. Difficult to
fly when your out at sea and they don’t fit too well in a locker on
the ship…vbg<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV><! FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>!
It took me from 1999 to 2002 to find somebody that new what pattern
was. Everyone new IMAC and could point me to a pilot that competed,
but not Pattern.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>What
does this mean? Either I’m not a very smart cookie or Pattern is a
very well kept secret (not much has changed since 1999). So how is
it that a person that new pattern existed took the better part of 4
years to finally talk to someone that could help get
started?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-S: 10pt"><O:P></O:P><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Over the
last seven years we watched IMAC ARF’s take off and sell like hot
cakes, only in the last couple years have we seen Pattern ARF’s on
the market.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></SPAN>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>I
went to an RC Airshow north of <ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><ST1:CITY
u1:st="on">Bloomington</ST1:CITY>, <ST1:STATE
u1:st="on">IN</ST1:STATE></ST1:PLACE> around the spring of 2002. I
watched a pilot fly an Extra for an! IMAC Sportsman Class Demo. I
approached him and asked him about Pattern and how to get started.
His response was clear, “Why would you want to fly a toy model plane
when you can fly a model of a real plane and do the same thing!”
Aside from an instant turn off from IMAC, it ! set the tone of
perception between IMAC and Pattern. I will most likely start
competing in IMAC this year as well as pattern. Mostly because there
are more IMAC contests in a 5 hour drive than there are pattern from
where I’m located.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>If
you compare IMAC and Pattern I don’t think the dog hunts in most of
the arguments I’ve seen posted in the last few years as they
reappear from time to time.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><O:P></O:P>1)</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=navy size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: navy; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">IMAC and
Pattern planes compare in cost. (That dog won’t hunt on this
point)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-li: Ignore">2)</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: navy; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial">
</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial">2)</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">IMAC and
Pattern take the same ! amount of practice time to be competitive in
a given class. (That dog won’t hunt on this
point)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial">3)</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=navy size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: navy; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">IMAC and
Pattern meets are relatively the same driving distance for most.
(That dog won’t hunt! on this
point)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial">4)</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=navy size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: navy; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I can find
more IMAC contests than Pattern contests (Dog might be tracking
something on this one)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial">5)</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=navy size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: navy; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sport
pilots know more about IMAC than they do pattern, this is
speculative but I believe it’s the case. (Dog might be tracking
something on this one)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>We
need to do a better job marketing Pattern. I think that IMAC has
done great in this area. The TOC helped IMAC grow and get the word
out through coverage of a big event. I think we can see a decline in
IMAC since the last TOC. I have not seen or heard of a big contest
that gets the publicity that the TOC received. Even the FAI World
Pattern contest is not covered! as well as the TOC
was.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>How
do you guys view these
points?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>Larry
Diamond<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">NSRCA
3083<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>PS…What
Eric does for Pattern in his reporting to magazines is probably one
of the key factors that he! lps pattern stay afloat. Thanks
Eric….<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
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