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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’m new and saw my first contests
last year. My first impression was “Why do they fly so high?” Then
I wondered what would happen if I flew low, slow and close in with <span
class=GramE>a</span> Oxalys 50? <span class=GramE>Still wondering.</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>mike mueller<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 02, 2006
2:14 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
IMAC Vs Pattern Participation? Does the DogHunt on points made?</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> You know what, Keith is right. We have a really
good flyer that comes to one of our contests about once a year. He flys his
whole sequence right off the deck like a bat out of hell. He's really good and
can pull it off. The deal excites everyone. It's a blast to watch. <br>
<br>
<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Keith Black
<tkeithb@comcast.net></span></i></b> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Reading the comments here brings the
following to my attention.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Loud "ballistic missile"
pattern = Huge popularity.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Quite graceful pattern flying 150 m
away = Boring.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Huge Loud IMAC planes flying 3D =
Huge popularity.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </D! IV> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I bet if we add an "Extreme
Pattern" class where we do high slow rolls and snaps ten feed off the deck
right over the runway we'd become much more popular again. ;-)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Keith Black</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com" title="bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday,
Ma! rch 02, 2006 8:55 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] IMAC Vs Pattern Participation? Does the DogHunt on points
made?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Larry,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Good points.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>A little history, as best as I can remember it. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>At one time, Pattern was the top of the heap. I
remember the first RC Modeler magazine I bought (circa 1972) had coverage of
the Masters competition. RC Modeler carried coverage of the large pattern
contests back then. At some point (I don't remember when, exactly) RCM (aka Don
Dewey) became ticked off at the AMA because AMA chose to publish their own
magazine. This happened when American Aircraft Modeler magazine went out of
business, they had been publishing the AMA News in the back of their magazine.
It seemed to me that RCM no longer covered pattern events after that. There was
a big push by RCM to promote the "Sport Flyers Associat! ion",
anything AMA sanctioned was left out. (This was my observation).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Along came the TOC, which actually started out with
pattern models. Again, t! here was coverage. But, then the TOC went the scale
aerobatics route (and extra points for biplanes, and extra points for mammoth
planes -- the rest is history).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Pattern is no longer the premiere event that it used
to be. I think it all goes back to the WOW factor. There also seemed to be a
period where pattern flyers were looked down upon, usually labeled
"snobs". Thank goodnes that does not seem to be the case anymore.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I think the change from loud, ballistic missle type
flying to the turnaround style now has changed the general modeling perception,
although it took several years for the general modeling public to recognize the
change. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>However, the turnaround format seems to have had both
a positive and negati! ve effect. The general modeling public respects pattern
more as a result, but it also SEEMS to be a barrier for new participants.
Again, this is just my opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </D! iv> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Bob R.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Lisa & Larry
<lld613@psci.net></span></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Eric Henderson wrote****</span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> If we knew
why we could probably fix it.<font color=navy><span style='color:navy'> ****<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>From my viewpoint trying
to get into pattern around 1999 was a major challenge.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I was first introduced to
Pattern in <st1:place u1:st="on">Southern California</st1:place> in 1985 when I
went to watch a contest. It took another 15 years to have the time and money to
do it. For me lack of time was because of my service in the US Navy. Difficult
to fly when your out at sea and they don’t fit too well in a locker on
the ship…vbg<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>! It took me from 1999 to
2002 to find somebody that new what pattern was. Everyone new IMAC and could
point me to a pilot that competed, but not Pattern.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What does this mean?
Either I’m not a very smart cookie or Pattern is a very well kept secret
(not much has changed since 1999). So how is it that a person that new pattern
existed took the better part of 4 years to finally talk to someone that could
help get started?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='FONT-S: 10pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Over the last seven years we watched IMAC ARF’s take off and
sell like hot cakes, only in the last couple years have we seen Pattern ARF’s
on the market.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I went to an RC Airshow
north of <st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:City u1:st="on">Bloomington</st1:City>, <st1:State u1:st="on">IN</st1:State></st1:place>
around the spring of 2002. I watched a pilot fly an Extra for an! IMAC
Sportsman Class Demo. I approached him and asked him about Pattern and how to
get started. His response was clear, “Why would you want to fly a toy
model plane when you can fly a model of a real plane and do the same
thing!” Aside from an instant turn off from IMAC, it ! set the tone of
perception between IMAC and Pattern. I will most likely start competing in IMAC
this year as well as pattern. Mostly because there are more IMAC contests in a
5 hour drive than there are pattern from where I’m located.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If you compare IMAC and
Pattern I don’t think the dog hunts in most of the arguments I’ve
seen posted in the last few years as they reappear from time to time. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<div style='margin-left:.5in'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;
tab-stops:list 1.0in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>IMAC and Pattern planes compare in cost. (That dog won’t hunt
on this point)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;
tab-stops:list 1.0in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-li!
st:
Ignore'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>2)</span></font><font
size=1 color=navy><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'>
</span></span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>IMAC and Pattern take the same ! amount of
practice time to be competitive in a given class. (That dog won’t hunt on
this point)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;
tab-stops:list 1.0in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>IMAC and Pattern meets are relatively the same driving distance for
most. (That dog won’t hunt! on this point)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;
tab-stops:list 1.0in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>I can find more IMAC contests than Pattern contests (Dog might be
tracking something on this one)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;
tab-stops:list 1.0in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Sport pilots know more about IMAC than they do pattern, this is
speculative but I believe it’s the case. (Dog might be tracking something
on this one)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We need to do a better
job marketing Pattern. I think that IMAC has done great in this area. The TOC
helped IMAC grow and get the word out through coverage of a big event. I think
we can see a decline in IMAC since the last TOC. I have not seen or heard of a
big contest that gets the publicity that the TOC received. Even the FAI World
Pattern contest is not covered! as well as the TOC was.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>How do you guys view
these points?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Larry Diamond<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>NSRCA 3083<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>PS…What Eric does
for Pattern in his reporting to magazines is probably one of the key factors
that he! lps pattern stay afloat. Thanks Eric….<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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