You know what, Keith is right. We have a really good flyer that comes to one of our contests about once a year. He flys his whole sequence right off the deck like a bat out of hell. He's really good and can pull it off. The deal excites everyone. It's a blast to watch. <BR><BR><B><I>Keith Black <tkeithb@comcast.net></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1528" name=GENERATOR> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Reading the comments here brings the following to my attention.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Loud "ballistic missile" pattern = Huge popularity.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Quite graceful pattern flying 150 m away = Boring.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Huge Loud IMAC planes flying 3D = Huge popularity.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I bet if we add an "Extreme Pattern" class where we do high slow rolls and snaps ten feed off the deck right over the runway we'd become much more popular again. ;-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keith Black</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=bob@toprudder.com href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 02,
2006 8:55 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] IMAC Vs Pattern Participation? Does the DogHunt on points made?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Larry,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good points.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A little history, as best as I can remember it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At one time, Pattern was the top of the heap. I remember the first RC Modeler magazine I bought (circa 1972) had coverage of the Masters competition. RC Modeler carried coverage of the large pattern contests back then. At some point (I don't remember when, exactly) RCM (aka Don Dewey) became ticked off at the AMA because AMA chose to publish their own magazine. This happened when American Aircraft Modeler magazine went out of business, they had been publishing the AMA News in the back of their magazine. It seemed to me that RCM no longer covered pattern events after that. There was a big push by RCM to promote the "Sport Flyers Association",
anything AMA sanctioned was left out. (This was my observation).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Along came the TOC, which actually started out with pattern models. Again, t! here was coverage. But, then the TOC went the scale aerobatics route (and extra points for biplanes, and extra points for mammoth planes -- the rest is history).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Pattern is no longer the premiere event that it used to be. I think it all goes back to the WOW factor. There also seemed to be a period where pattern flyers were looked down upon, usually labeled "snobs". Thank goodnes that does not seem to be the case anymore.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think the change from loud, ballistic missle type flying to the turnaround style now has changed the general modeling perception, although it took several years for the general modeling public to recognize the change. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, the turnaround format seems to have had both a positive and negative
effect. The general modeling public respects pattern more as a result, but it also SEEMS to be a barrier for new participants. Again, this is just my opinion.</DIV> <DIV> </D! iv> <DIV>Bob R.</DIV> <DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Lisa & Larry <lld613@psci.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)" name=Generator> <STYLE>v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } </STYLE> <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:SmartTagType name="State" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="City" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="place"
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div.Section1 {page:Section1;} /* List Definitions */ @list l0 {mso-list-id:1538155230; mso-list-type:hybrid; mso-list-template-ids:883076882 67698705 67698713 67698715 67698703 67698713 67698715 67698703 67698713 67698715;} @list l0:level1 {mso-level-text:"%1\)"; mso-level-tab-stop:.5in; mso-level-number-position:left; text-indent:-.25in;} ol {margin-bottom:0in;} ul {margin-bottom:0in;} --> </STYLE> <DIV class=Section1> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Eric Henderson wrote****</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> If we knew why we could probably fix it.<FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"> ****<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV
class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From my viewpoint trying to get into pattern around 1999 was a major challenge.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNorm! al><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I was first introduced to Pattern in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on">Southern California</st1:place> in 1985 when I went to watch a contest. It took another 15 years to have the time and money to do it. For me lack of time was because of my service in the US Navy. Difficult to fly when your out at sea and they don’t fit too well in a locker on the ship…vbg<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">! It took me from 1999 to 2002 to find somebody that new what pattern was. Everyone new IMAC and could point me to a pilot that competed, but not Pattern.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What does this mean? Either I’m not a very smart cookie or Pattern is a very well kept secret (not much has changed since 1999). So how is it that a person that new pattern existed took the better part of 4 years to finally talk to someone that could help get
started?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-S: 10pt">Over the last seven years we watched IMAC ARF’s take off and sell like hot cakes, only in the last couple years have we seen Pattern ARF’s on the market.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I went to an RC Airshow north of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Bloomington</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">IN</st1:State></st1:place> around the spring of 2002. I watched a pilot fly an Extra for an IMAC
Sportsman Class Demo. I approached him and asked him about Pattern and how to get started. His response was clear, “Why would you want to fly a toy model plane when you can fly a model of a real plane and do the same thing!” Aside from an instant turn off from IMAC, it ! set the tone of perception between IMAC and Pattern. I will most likely start competing in IMAC this year as well as pattern. Mostly because there are more IMAC contests in a 5 hour drive than there are pattern from where I’m located.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you compare IMAC and Pattern I don’t think the dog hunts in most of the arguments I’ve seen posted in the last few years as they reappear from time to time.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">1)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">IMAC and Pattern planes compare in cost. (That dog won’t hunt on this point)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-list:
Ignore">2)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">IMAC and Pattern take the same ! amount of practice time to be competitive in a given class. (That dog won’t hunt on this point)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">3)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">IMAC and Pattern meets are relatively the same driving distance for most. (That dog won’t hunt on this
point)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">4)<FONT face="Times New Roma! n" size=1><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I can find more IMAC contests than Pattern contests (Dog might be tracking something on this one)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">5)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sport pilots know more about IMAC than they do pattern, this is speculative but I believe it’s the case. (Dog might be tracking something on this one)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We need to do a better job marketing Pattern. I think that IMAC has done great in this area. The TOC helped IMAC grow and get the word out through coverage of a big event. I think we can see a decline in IMAC since the last TOC. I have not seen or heard of a big contest that gets the publicity that the TOC received. Even the FAI World Pattern contest is not covered as well
as the TOC was.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">How do you guys view these points?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Larry Diamond<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">NSRCA 3083<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">PS…What Eric does for Pattern in his reporting to magazines is probably one of the key factors that he! lps pattern stay afloat. Thanks Eric….<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <div> <HR> <div></div>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>
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