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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dave:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>We agree. I am wondering how the current pattern
contestants would take having an unknown handed to them on Saturday A.M. at a
"regular" contest. It would count as one round, and could be a "throwaway"
round under our conventional 6 round contest. I believe it could be fun; I
got cleared by Dave Guerin to do it at his last BARKS contest in Fall of 2005;
but I just didn't have time to research it enough to build 4 sequences,
when I really don't know how it would be received. I hate wasted
effort! Also, the contest is a successful one, and I don't want to "spoil"
it for any of the regulars. Don't know about this years
efforts.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 02, 2006 5:35
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] IMAC Vs
Pattern Participation? Does theDogHunt on points made?</DIV>
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<DIV>You are absolutely right, Bill. I am probably representative of
most in this regard- the first few years I flew the freestyle and enjoyed it
very much. As time went on I did it less and less- I haven't done
one in the last 2-3 years now. I really like working on the sequence and
not as much on the freestyle as I used to. My self expectations have
gone up- no longer content with just thinking things up as I go. </DIV>
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<DIV>Now, I'd like to fly some freestyle again- but now my standards would
force me to develop and practice a whole routine choreographed to music and
with 3D mixed in to be happy enough with my effort to go out in public with
it!</DIV>
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<DIV>It does help draw attention to the contest though- from a spectator and
contestant viewpoint. It was part of why I started flying IMAC- now I
haven't flown freestyle but I still fly the sequences - I have been
hooked. </DIV>
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<DIV>I don't see any harm in advertising and holding a seperate freestyle/AA
contest at the end of the day after a pattern contest. If noone shows-
no loss. If someone does- it could be fun to do and or watch and might
even draw someone to participate. That's the hook.</DIV>
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<DIV>Dave Michael</DIV>
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<billglaze@triad.rr.com> <BR><BR>> Perhaps AA might help growth. As
long as it stays as an option. It is a <BR>> fact that only 10-20 percent
of the flyers entering an IMAC contest elect to <BR>> fly the freestyle.
Most do not desire to do so. Even at the JR Challenge, <BR>> (in which I
will be one of the judges) probably less than 20% will opt for <BR>>
freestyle. <BR>> Bill Glaze <BR>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>> From: "Michael Wickizer" <MWICKIZER@MSN.COM><BR>> To:
<NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006
2:08 PM <BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] IMAC Vs Pattern
Participation? Does <BR>> theDogHunt on points made? <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> > Keith: <BR>> > <BR>> > While you say that in jest,
it would attract the younger! pilots and <BR>> > specators. Perhaps
it's time we think about Artistic Aerobatics. Had <BR>> > there
<BR>> > been IMAC in our area, I know of one pilot who would have
never flown <BR>> > pattern (but now is hooked). <BR>> >
<BR>> > Mike <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >>From: "Keith
Black" <TKEITHB@COMCAST.NET><BR>> >>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List
<NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> >>To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
<NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> >>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] IMAC Vs Pattern Participation? Does <BR>>
>>theDogHunt on points made? <BR>> >>Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006
12:30:47 -0600 <BR>> >> <BR>> >>Reading the comments here
brings the following to my attention. <BR>> >> <BR>>
>>Loud "ballistic missile" pattern = Huge popularity. <BR>>
>>Quite graceful pattern flying 150 m away = Boring. <BR>>
>>Huge Loud IMAC pl! anes flying 3D = Huge popularity. <BR>>
>> <BR>> >>I bet if we add an "Extreme Pattern" class where
we do high slow rolls and <BR>> >>snaps ten feed off the deck right
over the runway we'd become much more <BR>> >>popular again. ;-)
<BR>> >> <BR>> >>Keith Black <BR>> >> <BR>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> >> From: Bob Richards
<BR>> >> To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> >> Sent: Thursday,
March 02, 2006 8:55 AM <BR>> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
IMAC Vs Pattern Participation? Does the <BR>> >>DogHunt on points
made? <BR>> >> <BR>> >> <BR>> >> Larry, <BR>>
>> <BR>> >> Good points. <BR>> >> <BR>> >>
A little history, as best as I can remember it. <BR>> >> <BR>>
>> At one time, Pattern was the top of the heap. I remember the first
RC <BR>> >>Modeler magazine I bought (circa 1972) had coverage of
the Masters <BR>> >>competition! . RC Modeler carried coverage of
the large pattern contests <BR>> >>back <BR>> >>then. At
some point (I don't remember when, exactly) RCM (aka Don Dewey) <BR>>
>>became ticked off at the AMA because AMA chose to publish their own
<BR>> >>magazine. This happened when American Aircraft Modeler
magazine went out <BR>> >>of <BR>> >>business, they had
been publishing the AMA News in the back of their <BR>> >>magazine.
It seemed to me that RCM no longer covered pattern events after <BR>>
>>that. There was a big push by RCM to promote the "Sport Flyers
<BR>> >>Association", anything AMA sanctioned was left out. (This
was my <BR>> >>observation). <BR>> >> <BR>> >>
Along came the TOC, which actually started out with pattern models. <BR>>
>>Again, t! here was coverage. But, then the TOC went the scale
aerobatics <BR>> >>route (and extra points for biplanes, an! d
extra points for mammoth planes <BR>> >>-- the rest is hist ory).
<BR>> >> <BR>> >> Pattern is no longer the premiere event
that it used to be. I think it <BR>> >>all goes back to the WOW
factor. There also seemed to be a period where <BR>> >>pattern
flyers were looked down upon, usually labeled "snobs". Thank <BR>>
>>goodnes that does not seem to be the case anymore. <BR>> >>
<BR>> >> I think the change from loud, ballistic missle type flying
to the <BR>> >>turnaround style now has changed the general
modeling perception, although <BR>> >>it took several years for the
general modeling public to recognize the <BR>> >>change. <BR>>
>> <BR>> >> However, the turnaround format seems to have had
both a positive and <BR>> >>negative effect. The general modeling
public respects pattern more as a <BR>> >>result, but it also SEEMS
to be a barrier for new participants. Again, <BR>> >>this <BR>>
>>is ju! st my opinion. <BR>> >> <BR>> >> Bob R.
<BR>> >> <BR>> >> <BR>> >> Lisa & Larry
<LLD613@PSCI.NET>wrote: <BR>> >> Eric Henderson wrote**** If we
knew why we could probably fix it. <BR>> >> **** <BR>> >>
<BR>> >> From my viewpoint trying to get into pattern around 1999
was a major <BR>> >>challenge. <BR>> >> <BR>> >>
I was first introduced to Pattern in Southern California in 1985 when
<BR>> >>I went to watch a contest. It took another 15 years to have
the time and <BR>> >>money to do it. For me lack of time was
because of my service in the US <BR>> >>Navy. Difficult to fly when
your out at sea and they don't fit too well in <BR>> >>a locker on
the ship.vbg <BR>> >> <BR>> >> ! It took me from 1999 to
2002 to find somebody that new what pattern <BR>> >>was. Everyone
new IMAC and could point me to a pilot ! that competed, but <BR>>
>>not <BR>> >>Pattern. <BR>> >> <BR>> >>
What does this mean? Either I'm not a very smart cookie or Pattern is
<BR>> >>a very well kept secret (not much has changed since 1999).
So how is it <BR>> >>that a person that new pattern existed took
the better part of 4 years to <BR>> >>finally talk to someone that
could help get started? <BR>> >> <BR>> >> Over the last
seven years we watched IMAC ARF's take off and sell <BR>> >> like
<BR>> >>hot cakes, only in the last couple years have we seen
Pattern ARF's on the <BR>> >>market. <BR>> >> <BR>>
>> I went to an RC Airshow north of Bloomington, IN around the spring
of <BR>> >>2002. I watched a pilot fly an Extra for an IMAC
Sportsman Class Demo. I <BR>> >>approached him and asked him about
Pattern and how to get started. His <BR>> >>response was clear,
"Why would you want to fly a toy model plane when you <BR>> >>can!
fly a model of a real plane and do the same thing!" Aside from an <BR>>
>>instant turn off from IMAC, it ! set the tone of perception between
IMAC <BR>> >>and Pattern. I will most likely start competing in
IMAC this year as well <BR>> >>as pattern. Mostly because there are
more IMAC contests in a 5 hour drive <BR>> >>than there are pattern
from where I'm located. <BR>> >> <BR>> >> If you compare
IMAC and Pattern I don't think the dog hunts in most <BR>> >> of
<BR>> >>the arguments I've seen posted in the last few years as
they reappear from <BR>> >>time to time. <BR>> >> <BR>>
>> 1) IMAC and Pattern planes compare in cost. (That dog won't
<BR>> >> hunt <BR>> >>on this point) <BR>> >> 2)
IMAC and Pattern take the same ! amount of practice time to <BR>>
>>be competitive in a given class. (That dog won't hunt on this point)
<BR>> >> 3! ) IMAC and Pattern meets are relatively the same
driving <BR>> > >distance for most. (That dog won't hunt on this
point) <BR>> >> 4) I can find more IMAC contests than Pattern
contests (Dog <BR>> >>might be tracking something on this one)
<BR>> >> 5) Sport pilots know more about IMAC than they do pattern,
this <BR>> >>is speculative but I believe it's the case. (Dog might
be tracking <BR>> >>something on this one) <BR>> >>
<BR>> >> We need to do a better job marketing Pattern. I think that
IMAC has <BR>> >>done great in this area. The TOC helped IMAC grow
and get the word out <BR>> >>through coverage of a big event. I
think we can see a decline in IMAC <BR>> >>since <BR>>
>>the last TOC. I have not seen or heard of a big contest that gets
the <BR>> >>publicity that the TOC received. Even the FAI World
Pattern contest is not <BR>> >>covered as well as the TOC was.
<BR>> >> <BR>> >> How do you guys view t! hese points?
<BR>> >> <BR>> >> Larry Diamond <BR>> >> NSRCA
3083 <BR>> >> <BR>> >> PS.What Eric does for Pattern in
his reporting to magazines is <BR>> >>probably one of the key
factors that he! lps pattern stay afloat. Thanks <BR>> >>Eric..
<BR>> >> <BR>> >> <BR>> >> <BR>> >>
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