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<DIV>I first met Dean in person at the Westover AFB pattern meet in '91 ??, the
contest Dave Elsner used to put on. It was my second contest ever, I was flying
a Phoenix 8 done up in Rick Mears Pennzoil livery in what was then the Sportsman
class. I had the pleasure of calling a few rounds for Dean with his P-51,
if I remember correctly he won FAI. There have been a few moments in my RC
career that dates back to 1962 at age 5 that I will never forget. One of
them is watching Dennis Donohue fly an El Tigre at what seemed to be at the
speed of sound in Rockland County NY. The other was watching Dean fly that green
P-51 in FAI. </DIV>
<DIV>Ed M.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:22
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<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Dean</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>In 1990 I was not flying, which is not important.
What is important is...did you win with that Mustang design? There are
only TWO possible answers:</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>1. Yes
you won due to superoir design</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>2. No,
you lost due to poor "biased" judging and the Pattern community not
undestanding how far ahead of the curve you were in 1990.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>There are No other possible answers.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Principal Chemical
Engineer<BR>Composites Engineering</FONT> <BR><BR><BR>
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color=blue size=2>Hi Gray,</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2>You
never saw my '90/'91 season Stand-off Mustang?</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
color=blue size=2>Dean</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Dean Pappas</FONT><FONT size=3>
</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR>Sr. Design Engineer</FONT><FONT
size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR>Kodeos
Communications</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><BR>111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR>South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT><FONT
size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR>(908) 222-7817
phone</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR>(908)
222-2392 fax</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><BR>d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<B><BR>From:</B>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Gray E
Fowler<B><BR>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:48 AM<B><BR>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<B><BR>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] Cost-participation-or some
such stuff<BR></FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>I have never flown
non turnaround pattern. When I first got in to pattern I saw all the comments
flyin' around about how turnaround kills attendance. To this day I cannot
figure out why the older guys (which if you flew non turn around you were
either very young then or old now) wank so much about this change. Perhaps the
decline of pattern from its heyday has more to do with with other RC interest
than stinkin' turnaround changes. When I was young, we had 3 TV channnels, and
when MASH came on EVERYONE watched, unless Nixon was giving us a speech, which
was on all 3 channels, in that case we were all screwed.....Would MASH be so
popular today competing with 150 other channels, INCLUDING "The Food
Channel????!!!!!" I think not! Learn how to make a quiche......or
MASH. As you can see this is quite a quandary.</FONT><FONT size=3>
<BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>I will say that when I first
investigated pattern and found out everyone had $550 engines instead of my $99
two stroke-I was flabergasted. I still might be.</FONT><FONT size=3>
<BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>To me turnaround is the coolest
and not the problem.....when does this argument end? I would guess in another
10 years, because at that time all that flew NON turnaround will be dead or
quit due to age.</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR>When I started Ed Hurt was flying Masters at age 75......He told me
alot but NEVER told me that turnaround sucked........</FONT><FONT size=3>
<BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Billion Dollar Batteries, Electric
gear motors, $650 engines and pristine "works of art" scare the average sport
flyer (by showing/thinking they cannot do that) much more than
turnaround......</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR>Scenario #56.....Sport flyer thinking about pattern......Lets see,
No problem with powerplants costing 5-15X of my OS.45, just won't feed the
kids for a week, 300 hours to build and paint a flying master piece, and of
course $2500 for that kit -semi arf deal, then I gotta learn turnaround
too!!!! No WAY.....Dealing with the French for the plane was bad enough, now I
gotta learn turnaound too????...I am out for sure......</FONT><FONT size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>Now I am off in search of the
perfect P-51 lookin'pattern plane.............I think that that bottom air
scoop makes for better Knife Edges, increases rudder authority, slows the
plane down better, increasing smoothness and gracefulness (thus increasing
scores), makes snap entrances better, AND better throttle response (far
superior to ANY electric). I conducted these tests myself, collected data so I
know I am right. I cannot believe that the rest of you have not seen the
wisdom of a P-51 pattern plane. No wonder you find turnaround so
difficult.<BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Composites
Engineering</FONT><FONT
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