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<DIV><SPAN class=911452620-28022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>And
the late Ed Izzo competed in Pattern with a stand-way-off P-40. He won with it,
too.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </P>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Bill
Glaze<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:24 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cost-participation-or
some such stuff<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hmmmm........ I can remember hearing about Red St. Aubin
winning a pattern contest in LAX with a Corsair (yes, a model of the WW2
airplane) --of course, I DO have a couple of years on y'all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=kerlock@comcast.net href="mailto:kerlock@comcast.net">Mike
Hester</A> </DIV>
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AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Your P-51 fetish is showing again
=)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=gfowler@raytheon.com href="mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com">Gray E
Fowler</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 28, 2006
10:47 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion]
Cost-participation-or some such stuff</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>I have never flown non
turnaround pattern. When I first got in to pattern I saw all the comments
flyin' around about how turnaround kills attendance. To this day I cannot
figure out why the older guys (which if you flew non turn around you were
either very young then or old now) wank so much about this change. Perhaps
the decline of pattern from its heyday has more to do with with other RC
interest than stinkin' turnaround changes. When I was young, we had 3 TV
channnels, and when MASH came on EVERYONE watched, unless Nixon was giving
us a speech, which was on all 3 channels, in that case we were all
screwed.....Would MASH be so popular today competing with 150 other
channels, INCLUDING "The Food Channel????!!!!!" I think not!
Learn how to make a quiche......or MASH. As you can see this is
quite a quandary.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>I will say
that when I first investigated pattern and found out everyone had $550
engines instead of my $99 two stroke-I was flabergasted. I still might
be.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>To me turnaround is the
coolest and not the problem.....when does this argument end? I would guess
in another 10 years, because at that time all that flew NON turnaround
will be dead or quit due to age.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>When I started Ed Hurt was flying Masters at age 75......He told me
alot but NEVER told me that turnaround sucked........</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>Billion Dollar Batteries, Electric gear motors,
$650 engines and pristine "works of art" scare the average sport flyer (by
showing/thinking they cannot do that) much more than
turnaround......</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Scenario
#56.....Sport flyer thinking about pattern......Lets see, No problem with
powerplants costing 5-15X of my OS.45, just won't feed the kids for a
week, 300 hours to build and paint a flying master piece, and of course
$2500 for that kit -semi arf deal, then I gotta learn turnaround too!!!!
No WAY.....Dealing with the French for the plane was bad enough, now I
gotta learn turnaound too????...I am out for sure......</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Now I am off in search of the perfect P-51
lookin'pattern plane.............I think that that bottom air scoop makes
for better Knife Edges, increases rudder authority, slows the plane down
better, increasing smoothness and gracefulness (thus increasing scores),
makes snap entrances better, AND better throttle response (far superior to
ANY electric). I conducted these tests myself, collected data so I know I
am right. I cannot believe that the rest of you have not seen the wisdom
of a P-51 pattern plane. No wonder you find turnaround so
difficult.<BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Composites
Engineering</FONT>
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