<html><body><P><FONT style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size=2><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree with gary. P-51 or bust.....</FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size=2>randy <BR> <BR>--- Gray E Fowler <gfowler@raytheon.com> wrote:<BR> <BR><B>From:</B> Gray E Fowler <gfowler@raytheon.com><BR><B>Date:</B> Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:22:13 -0600<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cost-participation-or some such stuff<BR><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Dean</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>In 1990 I was not flying, which is not important. What is important is...did you win with that Mustang design? There are only TWO possible answers:</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>1. Yes you won due to superoir design</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>2. No, you lost due to poor "biased" judging and the Pattern community not undestanding how far ahead of the curve you were in 1990.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>There are No other possible answers.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Composites Engineering</FONT> <BR><BR><BR></P>
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<TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR><BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2>Hi Gray,</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2>You never saw my '90/'91 season Stand-off Mustang?</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2>Dean</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Dean Pappas</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR>Sr. Design Engineer</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR>Kodeos Communications</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR>111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR>South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR>(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR>(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR>d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<B><BR>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Gray E Fowler<B><BR>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:48 AM<B><BR>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<B><BR>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] Cost-participation-or some such stuff<BR></FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>I have never flown non turnaround pattern. When I first got in to pattern I saw all the comments flyin' around about how turnaround kills attendance. To this day I cannot figure out why the older guys (which if you flew non turn around you were either very young then or old now) wank so much about this change. Perhaps the decline of pattern from its heyday has more to do with with other RC interest than stinkin' turnaround changes. When I was young, we had 3 TV channnels, and when MASH came on EVERYONE watched, unless Nixon was giving us a speech, which was on all 3 channels, in that case we were all screwed.....Would MASH be so popular today competing with 150 other channels, INCLUDING "The Food Channel????!!!!!" I think not! Learn how to make a quiche......or MASH. As you can see this is quite a quandary.</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>I will say that when I first investigated pattern and found out everyone had $550 engines instead of my $99 two stroke-I was flabergasted. I still might be.</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>To me turnaround is the coolest and not the problem.....when does this argument end? I would guess in another 10 years, because at that time all that flew NON turnaround will be dead or quit due to age.</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>When I started Ed Hurt was flying Masters at age 75......He told me alot but NEVER told me that turnaround sucked........</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Billion Dollar Batteries, Electric gear motors, $650 engines and pristine "works of art" scare the average sport flyer (by showing/thinking they cannot do that) much more than turnaround......</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Scenario #56.....Sport flyer thinking about pattern......Lets see, No problem with powerplants costing 5-15X of my OS.45, just won't feed the kids for a week, 300 hours to build and paint a flying master piece, and of course $2500 for that kit -semi arf deal, then I gotta learn turnaround too!!!! No WAY.....Dealing with the French for the plane was bad enough, now I gotta learn turnaound too????...I am out for sure......</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>Now I am off in search of the perfect P-51 lookin'pattern plane.............I think that that bottom air scoop makes for better Knife Edges, increases rudder authority, slows the plane down better, increasing smoothness and gracefulness (thus increasing scores), makes snap entrances better, AND better throttle response (far superior to ANY electric). I conducted these tests myself, collected data so I know I am right. I cannot believe that the rest of you have not seen the wisdom of a P-51 pattern plane. No wonder you find turnaround so difficult.<BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Composites Engineering</FONT><FONT size=2><TT>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</TT></FONT> <BR></FONT></P></body></html>