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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well, we're working on it =)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Don't get me wrong, I'm as bad as anybody, the
thought of owning an Oxai with a hacker set up really appeals to me. But I'm
also practical enough to realize that it's not necessary, and really not within
my price range. Therefore, I do something different.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And I think a few of us have come up with some
really viable alternatives. It takes a lot of work on our part, a lot more than
the casual flyer may realize. To take a blank sheet of paper and turn that into
a good flying, attractive but most of all COMPETETIVE F3A plane is a real labor
of love. And we constatnly tweak and refine, and the results speak for
themselves I think., after some stumbling, learning and
perserverance.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From where I sit, I see a bright future for
pattern, with more options than ever. Wood, composite, glow, gas, electric, ARF,
or built from scratch in the basement, and ALL of them able to win the top prize
in the hands of a well practiced pilot.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well, here it is, almost the beginning of March.
What are we doing to bring new guys into our ranks? I'm trying a totally new
approach (at least in my time). The winner of the D3 sportsman championship gets
a built Black Magic with quite a few extras. I can do it for a relatively small
amount of money, but a good bit of work. but if it attracts even a couple of
dedicated new pilots, it's worth it to me. I can't find any reason not to do it,
so I cleared it with the pattern powers and now there it is...a HUGE prize to
fly for in sportsman. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This could be "the" year, for all of us. Make
something happen. Make it to all the contests you can. Go to the Nats if at all
possible. Send a clear message that we're not dying. Take the initiative and
train at least one new guy and take him to a contest. And most of all, make sure
he has fun. Don't just get him there and then leave him to fend for himself. if
you're going to be really busy, make sure you introduce him to the "cool" people
that will take him (or her) under thier wing and see that he doesn't find it to
be a bad experience.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It starts now. Spread the word, adjust the
perceptions, and let's make 2006 THE year. This is a great game we play, fun,
challenging, rewarding, competetive, and we need to foster the good parts and
bury the bad as deep as we can.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ok that was the soapboxiest soapbox I've ever stood
on, but I'm done =P</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=seefo@san.rr.com href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com">Doug Cronkhite</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:25
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Was Mini
Brio, Now Pattern Longitevity</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Truthfully..
competition will never be for the masses.. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">One thing that would
certainly help pattern is for people to believe they can be competitive
without having to spend $5000 on an airplane. They most certainly can do it..
but the PERCEPTION needs to be there for it to take
hold.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-Doug<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
</SPAN></B>vicenterc@comcast.net<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, February 25, 2006 8:28
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing List;
NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Was Mini Brio, Now Pattern
Longitevity</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">It is rewarding to read positive messages. This
is one of them. Today, I got the K-Factor and Rusty Dose message was
also positive. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Vicente Bortone<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<BR>From: "Mike Hester" <kerlock@comcast.net> <BR><BR>> Real
quickly, I don't think pattern is dying, I think it is evolving, <BR>>
changing, shifting areas of activeness. While it's numbers are dwindling in
<BR>> some places, the numbers are on the increase in others. <BR>>
<BR>> one thing I think would be a mistake would be to change the
airframe rules <BR>> in pattern. they are stabilized, and I don't think
changing them would have <BR>> any positive long lasting effect. if
anything, it could worsen the <BR>> situation. Stability fosters
enginuety, and some people are rising to the <BR>> challenge of both
leading edge technology, and old school methods. When you <BR>> learn how
to seamlessly blend both, you create more options. <BR>> <BR>> Think
about how wide open our airframe and power rules real! ly are: power is
<BR>> virtually unlimited, airframe is an empty 2 meter box with a
maximum weight <BR>> of 5 k or 11 lbs, and the noise requirement...but if
they can get a 40% <BR>> within the noise requirements, then that's no
longer an issue. <BR>> <BR>> What we have to do, all of us, is foster
a fun but competetive atmosphere. <BR>> We need to reach out to people on
a grass roots level and get them <BR>> motivated. We need to slay the
perception that you must have a $3000 <BR>> airframe and $2-3000 worth of
electric power or you're wasting your time. I <BR>> hate that crap. And
we need to ALL make sure that we don't even <BR>> subconsciously give the
edge to a guy with the latest greatest electric set <BR>> up, because by
doing so think what message we'll be sending to the guy that <BR>> really
can't afford that kind of investment right now, today. in the future
<BR>> who knows. <BR>> <BR>> if you haven't heard, ZDZ is coming!
out with a new 40cc f3A engine this <BR>> summer. this thing will turn as
large of a prop as the electrics. The weight <BR>> increase over glow
isn't even half as bad as electric. This alone could do <BR>> great
things for us in crossing certain invisible barriers. <BR>> <BR>> Then
again, maybe not =) <BR>> <BR>> Sorry to ramble, must be the paint
fumes..... <BR>> <BR>> -Mike <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message
----- <BR>> From: "Ryan Smith" <BR><SMARAGDZ@BELLSOUTH.NET>> To:
<BR><NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG>> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006
12:51 PM <BR>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Was Mini Brio, Now Pattern
Longitevity <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I honestly don't think that you have
to spend out the butt to have a <BR>> competitive setup. The keeping up
with the Joneses syndrome is the prevalent <BR>> factor that makes
everyone think that pattern is so ungodly expensive. There <BR>> are
plenty of options out there for people to create a cost-effective, <BR>>
competitive two meter! rig. But alas, people out there think they HAVE to
<BR>> have the biggest best and fastest everything, when in reality,
there is no <BR>> way in hell most newer fliers out there can discern
between a slightly <BR>> inferior and cheaper product and a top of the
line product (a big example <BR>> here would be digital servos as opposed
to analog servos). There are <BR>> certainly MANY viable options out
there for a cheap two meter setup that <BR>> will be competitive in the
long run. The best example I can see of this is <BR>> Mark Hunt, down in
the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Houston</st1:place></st1:City>
area. His airplane, the Insight, is all wood <BR>> and foam, and can be
built with maybe $150 worth of wood (I'm throwing a <BR>> generous
estimate out there), not to mention the plans are like $25. He is <BR>>
actually running an OS 1.60 on a standard muffler and is still making the
<BR>> noise restrictions. Mark exemplifies what people just starting out
in <BR>> pattern need to look in! to, not only because it's cheap, but
the airplanes <BR>> are simple to maintain and I would venture to say
bulletproof. I bought a <BR>> set from him a while back and haven't had
the chance to build one, but I <BR>> really would like to. I would like
to do what he's doing and and outfit it <BR>> with analog servos and make
it otherwise plain jane and see just how it <BR>> stacks up to the rest
of the field out there. There are also several other <BR>> wood airplanes
out there that are a little more extravagant, such as the <BR>> Black
Magic v2 by Mike Hester and the Quest and Shindin by Bryan Herbert <BR>>
that are being drawn in CAD and being kitted. Look at the airplanes that the
<BR>> Japanese team members fly- they're all wood. And look at where they
place. <BR>> Most if not all are always in the top ten, and young Tetsuo
Onda even placed <BR>> second this year. That's a heck of a feat for
anyone, mu <BR>> ch less an eighteen year old who is flying against
people who have been <BR>> modeling twice as ! long as he's been living.
<BR>> <BR>> Another point, the theory of everyone flying the same
thing has <BR>> never worked, not in fullscale and not in models. The One
Design class never <BR>> caught on in full scale, however there are many
examples of that airplane <BR>> flying. In IMAC, there are worries about
everyone using consistent <BR>> batteries, motors, servos, and such, and
if you have to be dictated that <BR>> much on what you can and cannot
fly, it takes the fun out. Also, in IMAC, it <BR>> is commonplace to see
high end airplanes in Basic and Sportsman just because <BR>> people want
to get that advantage that they really get through burning fuel. <BR>> I
know everyone hates to hear that, but it is the truth. Once you start to
<BR>> see improvements in your own flying after having flown a lot, then
you see <BR>> what everyone preaches about when they say fly a bunch. I
really don't think <BR>> that pattern dying is really dir! ectly related
to cost, but if you want to <BR>> make it such let's break down Jay's
idea. How cost effective is it to make <BR>> someone buy something that
they can't use in upper classes and would have to <BR>> buy a new setup
every year. Shouldn't we be showing people that they can go <BR>> and get
a nice setup that they can actually use and enjoy? Not to mention <BR>>
the fact that you can reuse the equipment should you decide (or your thumbs
<BR>> decide) to get a new airframe. I think the cost factor is
implemented by <BR>> people who don't really have the desire to succeed
and have to use that as a <BR>> scapegoat to cover what they see as their
failures. <BR>> <BR>> I honestly think pattern needs an overhaul. It's
not the cost <BR>> that really drives people away, it's the ideology
surrounding it that does. <BR>> People see pattern as being boring and
too easy, and generally not exciting. <BR>> However, with the advent 3D
flight, and people becoming attracted to model <BR>> airplanes because of
! it, they really want to hone their skills. I have seen <BR>> a lot of
subtle hints dropped by some past pattern flyers who write for <BR>>
magazines telling people to look into pattern if they really want to become
<BR>> better at 3D. I also think that we need more promotion. Model
Aviation has <BR>> cut down the pattern column in the magazine to every
other month, yet there <BR>> are other facets in there that get full
coverage that really don't need it. <BR>> If we want pattern to survive,
we really need to get publicized where it <BR>> counts- where we're going
to be attracting people. Advertising in the K <BR>> Factor does nothing
for the growth of pattern because we're all already <BR>> interested
enough in it to subscribe. But there are people out there who <BR>> don't
know and maybe would like to. I can't tell you how many times on RCU
<BR>> I've seen someone post in the Pattern Forum "What is Pattern
Flying?". Most <BR>> are usual! ly creative in what they think it is, but
nevertheless, the same <BR>& gt; group sets them straight. I think we
should get on the AMA to get us more <BR>> coverage and other magazines
as well, such as Model Airplane News, 3D Flyer, <BR>> etc. I believe THAT
is what will help us, not making people buy some little <BR>> electric
that they won't be competitive with. <BR>> <BR>> Thanks for taking the
time to read this guys, please feel free <BR>> to respond. <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Regards, <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Ryan
Smith <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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