<div>I saw a picture of a european electric something or other with a swiss cheesed spinner.</div> <div> </div> <div><BR><BR><B><I>JShulman <jshulman@cfl.rr.com></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I didn't know they were doing that. Thought they just cut out for the props<BR>and have the lightened back plate.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR>www.jasonshulman.com<BR>www.shulmanaviation.com<BR>www.composite-arf.com<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Pat Hewitt<BR>Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:18 PM<BR>To: patternrules@earthlink.net; NSRCA Mailing List; NSRCA Mailing List<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric TT Spinner<BR><BR><BR>Please advise,<BR><BR>What are some of your thoughts on the cut outs of a True Turn Spinner for<BR>cooling on an Electric Pattern Plane not
the back plate but the cone itself.<BR><BR>Pat h.<BR><BR><BR><BR>------ Original Message ------<BR>Received: 07:15 AM CST, 02/18/2006<BR>From: "Steven Maxwell" <PATTERNRULES@EARTHLINK.NET><BR>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric vs. Glow<BR><BR>Everyone is in a different situation, for me one electric plane is fine as<BR>I have very few problems flying or going to contest, well ok my flying<BR>isn't the best LOL. For me my set up is as follows.<BR>Panacea fuse Smaragd wing and stab that was going to be Glow powered never<BR>completed but was ready for paint, so cut out firewall and floor that was<BR>for the pipe tunnel, but only parts that was needed for airflow.<BR>Used Hacker C50-14XL $350<BR>Jeti 90 controller with programmer on sale $176<BR>TP 1010 charger found one that someone didn't need $179<BR>TP 210v Balancer<BR>$99<BR>Watts up meter<BR>$49<BR>Power supply 55amp<BR>$122<BR>Batteries found someone with extra
10s X 2 TP 5300 $1000<BR>22X12 e props X2<BR>$37<BR>Dubro alumium prop nut for more cooling $8<BR>Tota<BR>l $2020<BR>Would this work for everyone definantly not, will it work for me hope so,<BR>also hope packs will last 2 years, time will only tell how this and others<BR>will work out. Plan on buying another charger and balancer in the future if<BR>needed, and glow for backup.<BR>Steve Maxwell<BR><BR>> [Original Message]<BR>> From: Michael Laggis <FISHGOD@POBOX.MTAONLINE.NET><BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> Date: 2/17/2006 8:07:57 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric vs. Glow<BR>><BR>> 2 x motors add another $455<BR>> 2 x speed controllers add another $210<BR>> 4 x battery packs add another $1200<BR>> -1 Deep cycle battery -$100<BR>><BR>> Total additional $1765<BR>> Previous total $3960<BR>><BR>> Electric setup $5725<BR>><BR>><BR>> Glow setup<BR>><BR>> Abbra $1300<BR>> My
motors/servos/odds and ends $0<BR>> Years Fuel $300<BR>><BR>> Glow Setup $1600<BR>><BR>> Because of the short flying season here I would want backup motors/speed<BR>> controllers. I have backup for my glow.<BR>> Granted, here in Alaska I have 2 contests. Would love to make it contests<BR>> in the lower 48 but the time and cost is too much.<BR>><BR>> Michael<BR>><BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of David<BR>> Lockhart<BR>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:18 PM<BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric vs. Glow<BR>><BR>> As has been noted, I plan to make the jump to electric in 2006 - I'd offer<BR>> the following costs -<BR>><BR>> $1,300.00 - Abbra (www.EScomposites.com).<BR>> $455.00 - Pletty 30-10 (www.Icare-rc.com).<BR>> $210.00 - Castle Creations
Phoenix 85HV (www.CastleCreations.com).<BR>> $1,200.00 - 2xTP10s4p 5300 (www.Draganfly.com - best prices I've seen).<BR>> $35.00 - Budd softmount (www.BuddEngineering.com) $250.00 - 2xAstro 109<BR>lipo<BR>> chargers (available many places).<BR>> $100.00 - 1 12volt deep cycle marine battery for field charging.<BR>> $150.00 - Iota DLS55 power supply (55 amp) - available many places, use<BR>for<BR>> home PS and recharge of 12 volt field battery.<BR>><BR>> $3,690.00 Total.<BR>><BR>> The above is absolutely competive in F3A and all of it is reasonably easy<BR>to<BR>> get. You could spend more/less on any of the above items, but as listed,<BR>> depending on the number of flights, the cost is certainly comparable to a<BR>> decked out DZ setup w/ softmount, header, CF pipe, etc, and the support<BR>> equipment and fuel to go with it. If you want to fly back to back, you'll<BR>> need 2 more chargers ($250.00) and 2 more sets ($1,200.00) of lipos,
but<BR>> what is listed should be good for at least 200-300 flights - at which<BR>point<BR>> all that might be needed is new lipos (which continue to drop in price and<BR>> improve in performance). Compare that to servo repairs, airframe<BR>vibration<BR>> repairs, umpteen gallons of 30%DZ fuel, the engine in the plane, the<BR>engine<BR>> being repaired, and the engine in transit to/from the repair shop,<BR>> ....etc....and make your choice. And the price could be reduced using an<BR>> AXI (definite weight penalty) or one of the soon to be available Hacker<BR>> outrunners (also a weight penalty) which are in the $250.00 range. For<BR>> Sportsman, Intermediate, and Advanced, the TP 4200s have plenty of<BR>capacity<BR>> and power, and would save another $160.00.<BR>><BR>> FWIW - I will be changing to electric because the perception is that the<BR>> electric is better, and I will have more options for practice fields.<BR>Kind<BR>> of amusing on
both counts - as my Webra setup is substantially stronger<BR>> (appearance-wise and by the numbers) and the noise levels of my glow and<BR>> electric setups are within 1db.<BR>><BR>> For the record, I've happily purchased products from all the companies I<BR>> noted, some of which are current sponsors (and I've done beta testing<BR>for) -<BR>> - Castle Creations for ESCs.<BR>> - Budd Engineering for mounts.<BR>> - Horizon help with TP lipos (as they carry TP and I am part of Team JR<BR>> through Horizon).<BR>><BR>> I did a lot of reading, and contacted a lot of people for information. To<BR>> date, I'm quite happy with the Pletty/CC/TP setup in the Abbra and I've<BR>only<BR>> had a few minor issues which were easily remedied for little or no cost.<BR>I<BR>> plan to bump up the power output when the weather is warmer (lipos don't<BR>> like the cold) and try some other motors (Cyclon and Hacker) in addition<BR>to<BR>> the Pletty. And I
can't wait to get the pair of Prestige planes in the<BR>air<BR>> as they will be 3-5 oz lighter, putting them under the 10 lb mark at<BR>takeoff<BR>> (compared to my Webra powered Vivats which are 9.75 lb dry and 10 lbs 8 oz<BR>> at takeoff).<BR>><BR>> A long time ago, it was posted on this list that electrics were not for<BR>> everyone and probably never would be - still sage advice today - eh Mr.<BR>> Shulman?<BR>><BR>> Regards,<BR>><BR>> Dave Lockhart<BR>> DaveL322@comcast.net<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: "Michael Laggis" <FISHGOD@POBOX.MTAONLINE.NET><BR>> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 5:52 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric vs. Glow<BR>><BR>><BR>> > I have been flying indoor electrics for 6 years. I have been flying<BR>> LiPolys<BR>> > long before they were truly commercially
available. We bought<BR>> > individual cells and made our own packs. I have packs that have 100+<BR>> > cycles easy. I understand the benefits of electrics. I personally<BR>> > can't make the initial jump into electrics<BR>> ><BR>> > 4 packs $2960<BR>> > 2 chargers $400<BR>> > Power Supplies $200<BR>> > New Air Frame $2500<BR>> > 2 Motors ?????<BR>> > 2 Speed Controllers ?????<BR>> ><BR>> > Total Approx $7000?<BR>> ><BR>> > I know that with the amount I can fly all in a summer the equipment<BR>> > would probably last me years. It is just the initial dump of $7000<BR>> > that I can't lay out<BR>> ><BR>> > Michael Laggis<BR>> > NSRCA 3618<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe<BR>>
Lachowski<BR>> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:33 PM<BR>> > To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric vs. Glow<BR>> ><BR>> > I'll throw something else in the mix which you can't put a price on.<BR>> > Loss<BR>> of<BR>> > hearing due to exposure time to noise generated from internal<BR>> > combustion motors and the risk of cancer associated with the exposure<BR>> > to the fuel<BR>> which<BR>> > we come in contact with.<BR>> ><BR>> > Of course on the electric side, you have risk of fire.<BR>> ><BR>> > Let's throw in one more benefit in the electric direction, a big one,<BR>> > keeping flying sites. Not to start a war here, but I've heard of a<BR>> > number<BR>> of<BR>> > fields over the last 5 yrs being lost or restricted in one way or<BR>> > another because of loud IMAC style airplanes. Ask Dave Lockhart,<BR>> >
because of some IMAC planes he has had to by necessity to resort to<BR>> > flying electric in<BR>> order<BR>> > to take advantage of using a field local to him in the weekday evening<BR>> > hours.<BR>> ><BR>> > Del, glow fuel manufacturers don't guarantee their fuel why should the<BR>> > battery mfg. Like the glow setup it is all up to the individual to<BR>> > operate/maintain his equipment within the parameters they are designed<BR>> > to operate. I've read enough on the web and magazines to now feel<BR>> > confident that in most cases if you properly use and maintain your<BR>> > electric<BR>> equipment<BR>> > you should be able to get several hundred flights out of a pack.<BR>> > Unfortunately, in our application we are on the bleeding edge and the<BR>> > jury is still out. There are some who have over a hundred flights on a<BR>> > flight pack already. Only time will tell and the technology
still<BR>> > keeps<BR>> improving.<BR>> > On the downside, for some, if you don't fly several hundred flights a<BR>> > year on your pattern rig, it is not worth it to fly electric due to<BR>> > battery<BR>> shelf<BR>> > life.<BR>> ><BR>> > yada yada yada<G><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> > NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>><BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing
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