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<div>Take a YS 1.60 DZ, hook it up to a generator which charges the LiPo's, which powers the electric motor which turns the propellor.</div>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 2/18/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Stuart Chale</b> <<a href="mailto:schale@optonline.net">schale@optonline.net</a>> wrote:</span>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">(What was the fuel source used in Lost in Space?)</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Back to reality, although the current crop of batteries seems to do an adequate job, we are not yet seeing a bunch of people claiming 100 - 200+ cycles per pack. Although I will take the plunge I will wait till the last minute to buy the battery packs. It seems that we need to get to the next generation to either have a greater rate of discharge or decrease the weight a bit further so that we never come close to the capacity of the packs. Right now it seems as if the packs are getting pushed too close to their limits. Some survive OK some do not.
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
</a>] <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>mike mueller<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:18 AM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> This problem with Lipo's not taking the higher charge rate would seem to be the biggest factor why the batterie isn't stepping up to widespread uses in industry/Hybrid cars/consumer products. So if we are to get better battery solutions in the future it will probably come from a different technology than the current lithium offerings. So does anyone have a clue what breakthru technology will eventually be the answer?
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regenerative braking is the holy grail for hybrid E vehicles also. While the motor is an effective generator with the controls available, the issue is the ability of the batteries to accept the resulting high charge rate. Some systems have been designed using capacitors to smooth the flow, but large capacity requirements limits practicality. Of course with LiPo charge rates in the 1 - 3C range, this becomes even more problematic for our systems.
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