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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello Dean,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is why I read all of the list's posts...I like
to learn new things. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The sub-fin would go where, under the stab or
closer to the nose? I would think the placement would make a huge
difference in the effect.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ken</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=d.pappas@kodeos.com href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">Dean Pappas</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 30, 2006 1:53
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Trimming
question</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=312584818-30012006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Gang, Hi Ken,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=312584818-30012006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
enswer probably lies in a combo of what Lance and Ron
offered.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=312584818-30012006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>How
much is your buddy willingg to cut or add to fix the
problem.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=312584818-30012006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>A
ventral strake/subfin will be a great experiment, and I am sure that a bunch
of us would like to hear the results.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=312584818-30012006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Raising the stab would be terribly invasive, and also
interesting.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=312584818-30012006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Make
sure the ship flies with a styraight elevator first.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=312584818-30012006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>later,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=312584818-30012006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=312584818-30012006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>patterndude@comcast.net<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 30, 2006 1:44
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[NSRCA-discussion] Trimming question<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Ken,</DIV>
<DIV>Not always. In level flight the neg incidence will require up trim. In
KE flight, the tail has an increased weighting in the balance of forces and
this uptrim can be more than needed.</DIV>
<DIV>--Lance</DIV>
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<DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>District 6 AVP
<BR>www.aeroslave.com</DIV>
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Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Ken Thompson"
<mrandmrst@comcast.net> <BR><BR>> Wouldn't negative incidence
cause it to push to the gear, not the canopy? <BR>> <BR>> Ken
<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Lance Van Nostrand"
<PATTERNDUDE@COMCAST.NET><BR>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
<NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006
12:40 AM <BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Trimming question
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Not many responses to this one, but here's
my thought. The wing incidence <BR>> > is way negative and the CG is
aft. I got myself into that situation once <BR>> > and didn't catch
it for a while. Inverted flight was fine but the plane <BR>> > was
<BR>> > squirrely and the up elv trim was more effective in knife
edge than level <BR>> > flight, resultin! g in canopy pull. <BR>>
> --Lance <BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message -----
<BR>> > From: "John Pavlick" <JPAVLICK@IDSENG.COM><BR>> > To:
"NSRCA Discussion" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> > Sent:
Friday, January 27, 2006 10:31 PM <BR>> > Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] Trimming question <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>>
>> Ok here's a good one. The owner of the L.H.S. asked me what I
thought <BR>> >> about <BR>> >> this and I couldn't come
up with a good answer. He has a Hangar 9 Ugly <BR>> >> Stik - the
real big one. I can't remember exactly what it's called. Guess <BR>>
>> it <BR>> >> has a gas motor in it. It's big. He says he
has it trimmed so it will fly <BR>> >> inverted with just a very
slight bit of down elevator (almost none). Ok, <BR>> >> so
<BR>> >> it's not nose heavy, maybe even a little tail heavy.
Now, when he flies <BR>> >&! gt; it <BR>> >> knife edge
(either side) it pulls severely to the canopy. I mean like it <BR>>
>> will fly a complete circle. It needs almost 3/4 down elevator to
fly <BR>> >> straight. It's beyond a mix - fix. He also says that
it has a bit of roll <BR>> >> couple when flying level (not knife
edge) but it doesn't pitch severely <BR>> >> up <BR>> >>
or down under these conditions. Any thoughts? I guess you can rule out
<BR>> >> C.G. <BR>> >> because if anything it should
pull to the belly considering how it's <BR>> >> trimmed <BR>>
>> to fly level upright and inverted. I haven't flown it so I can't
add too <BR>> >> much more. He builds OK so I don't think there's
anything way out of <BR>> >> alignment, but again I haven't seen
it yet so maybe there is. What should <BR>> >> I <BR>>
>> look for if I get my hands on it to try and help him? <BR>>
>> <BR>> >> John Pavlick <BR>> >>
http://www.idseng! .com <BR>> >> <BR>> >> -- <BR>>
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