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<DIV>Yes and no. I forget the exact term used for the fund to compensate laid
off workers but generally speaking, in times of mass layoffs many get very
little or nothing, as was my case in '82. The person drew approximately their
base salary AFTER taxes and few ever saw 52 weeks worth. Most only see a
percentage of their base salary for a very short period of time. In the case of
plant closings, the major auto companies have tried, by giving severance pay, to
minimize the impact on the local economy and the individual. I guess it's OK for
a CEO to get a golden parachute but not the rank and file. I guess my point was
missed, we ( Americans ) ought to support each other a little more. In a global
economy if we go around bashing each other and North American based companies,
we just make it easier for the competition to win. Believe me, this global
economic war is going to be our toughest test. We are already behind the 8 ball
with mature businesses and industries who pay benefits and pensions, something
that generally doesn't exist around the globe....yet. It may someday but will
take at least a generation. </DIV>
<DIV>Ed M.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=billglaze@triad.rr.com href="mailto:billglaze@triad.rr.com">Bill
Glaze</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:54
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Toyota</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Another interesting provision that I recall, was that
upon being laid off, the person in question drew, for 1 year, full
wages. Almost makes a person want to be laid off.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=amad2terry@juno.com href="mailto:amad2terry@juno.com">Terry
Terrenoire</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:01
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Toyota</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>What seems to be forgotten is that Chrysler paid the govt back every
penny that was lent to it, plus interest!</DIV>
<DIV>I may P.O. some people, but I firmly believe that the industry's main
problem is the Unions. I remember growing up in the 50's and 60's. There
were strikes nearly every other year with the Unions DEMANDING greater and
greater benefits, now we are all paying for them. One is early retirements
with life time guaranteed medical benefits, with NO contribution from
the workers, another was paying some HS drop out 3 times the minimum wage
just to but lug nuts on the cars.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Terry T.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:35:55 -0500 "Jay Marshall" <<A
href="mailto:lightfoot@sc.rr.com">lightfoot@sc.rr.com</A>> writes:</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Remember what
happened when a certain CEO took Chrysler Chapt.11? We all bailed him
out.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As for cars, I
bought a Honda Element, a mini-SUV. It measures 2m in the rear with the
seats up (they raise off the floor and fold against the sides) but I
haven’t tried to get my Focus inside as yet. The floors are rubberized so
fuel, etc., won’t harm them. It also gets 26mpg on the way to
contests.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ed Miller<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, January 25, 2006
2:07 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing
List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Toyota</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I have to agree. IMO the domestic car
companies produce as good if not better vehicles than their overseas
counterparts. It has become "trendy" to own certain plaques
over others. A Chevrolet Z06 Corvette with no other
changes other than a Ferrari badge would cost well into the 6 figures
instead of 70K. There used to be a saying "as GM goes so does the
USA". Many think that no longer applies. I say watch what
happens if GM and/or Ford goes chapter 11. I've always felt that if
I bought a US product I was in some way helping my neighbor.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ed M.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original
Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV style="font-color: black">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=d.pappas@kodeos.com href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">Dean
Pappas</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:51 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Toyota<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You know, it's
a terrible shame that after taking a deserved heck of a beating for
truly poor reliability/design back in the
seventies,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Detroit has
honest-to-for-really turned their act around ... and they don't get
credit for it!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My Grand
Caravan with the Stow n'Go seats is a marvellously practical
vehicle.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dean Pappas <BR>Sr. Design Engineer <BR>Kodeos
Communications <BR>111 Corporate Blvd. <BR>South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
<BR>(908) 222-7817 phone <BR>(908) 222-2392 fax <BR>d.pappas@kodeos.com
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Rick
Wallace<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:11 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Toyota</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Not sure it works to say that
'all profits go to Japan' - at one point, GM owned 1% of Toyota.
I just checked the Toyota corp's stock symbol- there's a family of
symbols shown - can't easily trace WHERE the ownership is / where the
profits go. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">When I did the 'buy a van'
analysis in 2003 major factors were: <BR>-- The need to handle 36000
miles a year.<BR>-- Reliability<BR>-- Whether my van would outlive the
payment stream. I wasn't / am not confident that most 'US makes' will
either do that.<BR>-- Reputable dealer / support network.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Based on the above factors,
(Consumer Reports information and personal experience with FMC/
Chrysler family / Gm dealers in the NJ area) my choice narrowed
quickly to Honda and Toyota. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Your mileage may vary; my search
led me to a van that may not be the BEST choice, but it's been good
enough so far. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 5.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">-Rick
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Tahoma size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From: <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">DaveL322@comcast.net</SPAN></I><BR>Reply-To:
<I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">NSRCA Mailing List
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></SPAN></I><BR>To: <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">NSRCA Mailing List
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></SPAN></I><BR>Subject:
<I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Toyota</SPAN></I><BR>Date: <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Wed,
25 Jan 2006 15:40:15 +0000</SPAN></I><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma
size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 6.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Ideally,
for the US, it would be better to have the profits stay here as
well.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma
size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma
size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Nonetheless, the
workers get to stay here, the workers salaries stay here, taxes stay
here, and Toyota has invested profits in the US building the
infrastructure to manufacture in the
US.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma
size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma
size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 6.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Far
better for the US than the only piece being point of sale.
Quite possibly better for the US than many US firms which design and
manufacture overseas, and then import back to the US for point of
sale.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma
size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma
size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma
size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Dave<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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in USA BUT, all Profits go to Japan. Something to think
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