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<DIV> Good post Earl. I hope other's will contribute. Just to add a little to the mix there hasn't been much in the K-factor either on the electrics.</DIV>
<DIV> I have started a make over to a plane that was setup for glow and done a lot of cutting to change to electric, one because it wasn't finished so it never had fuel in it, so it was still a clean place for epoxing.</DIV>
<DIV> One of the big differences that I'm trying is use of less battery packs than others only 2 sets as opposed to most pattern guys seem to like 4 sets, as time isn't an issue with me. I'm fortunate to be retired so I can spend 6 to 8 hours at the field in good flying weather so if I get 4 to 6 flight in that time I'm happy.</DIV>
<DIV> There are some cost cutting's that can be done but until I finish and get flying I'll reserve any conclusions.</DIV>
<DIV> The one thing I will say right now is do your research, and don't make any hasty choices there are lots of options. Best to go with a proven setup.</DIV>
<DIV> Steve Maxwell</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] E Stuff</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The E info on the list has been scant. Probably some are reluctant to hype / criticize products because of their involvement with suppliers. Some of us are just blindly exploring options, gathering data / information, and forming opinions without experience to back up our conclusions. </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>Certainly information offered by those with experience is very welcome and appreciated. Those who are qualified experts in the various fields that can correct / clarify information gained through the school of hard knocks are not only welcome, but I suspect somewhat obligated to protect the rest of us. As this entire topic expands there will be conflicting opinions which in themselves provide info - that's what this list is for and no one should take offense that some prefer other views.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>After teasing the E guys at the Nats I recognized that the E powered airplanes flew better (I'll admit to being obstinate - but not totally dumb). There were also differences that seemed related more to E equipment choices than differences in pilot skills. The info published by Jason, Frack, Adam, Chad, and others (in RCU forums) provided an insight to the various equipment choices (and passionate defense of same in some cases). Interestingly, a lot of the discussions revolve around equipment type rather than the effect on flight characteristics.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So - I set about trying to determine if E flies better and why. So far the answer is yes and I'm not sure. While differences in dynamics can be identified, it's hard to quantify the effects. For example, the lighter / slower rotating E prop generates a lower gyroscopic precession force during looping maneuvers than glow - this also suggests the lower rotating mass of a geared motor might be better. The lighter motor (compared to glow engine) up front can result in a lower pitch moment of inertia if the tail is light enough to allow the battery mass to be close to the CG. Airplane smoothness in rough air is markedly better with E. (I did most of my comparisons with twin Partners - one glow and one E - at about the same flight weight.) This may be an effect of the large diameter prop or lack of vibration effect on the servos. As others have noted, thrust application is very good with E as the slower prop is efficient and the motor is instantly responsive and very linear. E can be flown slower than or as fast as glow, the airplane is more stable with E when slow - again probably the large prop effect. Overall, it's easier to fly well with E but E won't fix sloppy flying.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As with most things in model aviation - there are learning curves. Some suppliers are better than others, some equipment is better than others, some choices will be revisited after experience is gained. The hardest thing to get used to is the metrification of cost - kilo dollars. Not that E is that much more expensive than glow - just that very little from glow is useable with E. That means one must acquire motors, controllers, batteries, chargers, power supplies, meters, connectors, wire, props, etc. pretty much from scratch.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If there's interest in this becoming a thread I'll discuss the reasons for some of my choices of equipment and the data I've generated / will generate with the full understanding that I might be operating under false assumptions and some of this stuff will change - I'm still learning.</FONT></DIV>
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