[NSRCA-discussion] New FAI Rule Changes

Vicente Bortone vincebrc at gmail.com
Wed Apr 5 14:26:46 AKDT 2023


Hello all,

I was going to say something similar to Phil and Charlie.  I will add that
even center maneuvers have the same parallax effect that is well described
by Charlie.  Of course it is more pronounced in the turn around maneuvers.
Therefore, I think the #2 rule change is not going to have too much effect
on how we are judging now.  It appears that it is a reaction to the flight
coach (FC) because it is practically impossible for human judges to see
the same level of details that can be viewed using FC.  I believe that FC
can be adjusted to the position that the pilot and judges are in, so it
will still be a very powerful tool that will probably be very useful in the
near future.

Good to hear from all.  I am trying to get ready for this season.  Looking
forward to see all,

Vicente "Vince" Bortone
*NSRCA 1140.  Be Proud to show your NSRCA #*


On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 4:50 PM Charlie Barrera via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> Phil, I think the best way to describe the turn around geometry is to have
> a clear template with 45* angles and circles scribed in it. Place this
> template at the end of the box and see how parallax affects the geometry.
> That is why from a judges perspective (pilot also), he is looking for 45*
> angle and radiuses that are true. We, here at my local field, use this
> training device to get the perspective right. Hope this helps.
> Unfortunately, you might need a template. I think CK Aero sells them.
> …Charlie
>
> On Apr 5, 2023, at 4:20 PM, Phil Spelt via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> Guys,  These days I am an SPA contestant, but I have flown and judged the
> turnaround sequences years ago.  (I didn't have the finances to buy $2K to
> $5K composite airframes and double-reverse contra double rotating props to
> be competitive.)  So I am kind of familiar with the current AMA pattern
> milieu, and have judged a lot.  Can someone please explain to me how pilots
> and judges, sitting at the center of the flight line, can tell the
> difference between a 1/2 loop at an end of the box that is geometrically
> round or just "looks" round?  We see what we see -- if it looks round score
> it well, if it doesn't, mark it down -- no?
> Thanks,
>
>
> *“You will become way less concerned with what other people think of you
> when you realize how seldom they do.” ― David Foster Wallace, Infinite
> Jest.*
>
> *Phil Spelt, AMA 1294, Scientific Leader MemberSPA L-18, Board Member,
> NSRCA 2032, KCRC EmeritusKnoxville, TN  37931   (865) 604-0541c*
>
> On 04/05/2023 11:57 AM Mark Atwood via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hey All,
>
> Attached are the results from the CIAM plenary meeting and vote that took
> place on April 1st. These rule changes will go into effect in 2024. Most of
> the rules that address F3A are minor and merely clarify clerical issues in
> the rulebook or help outline procedures. There are also changes to the
> wording around telemetry, but again, only for better clarity. But there are
> TWO notable rule changes. Neither of which we supported.
>
> 1) Increase the weight limit to 5.5Kg TAKE OFF WEIGHT. This is a straight
> up increase for electric, and a change to weighing procedure for glow
> planes to include FULL tank of fuel. The issues here are obvious and I know
> we have many on both sides of this discussion, but it’s the new rule in
> FAI.
>
> 2) This one confounds me. They have changed the judging guidelines, such
> that they no longer want accurate geometry relative to the aircrafts plane
> of flight, but instead want geometric accuracy FROM THE JUDGES PERSPECITVE.
> In other words, a half loop at the end of the box needs to LOOK round,
> rather than BE round relative to the plane of flight. It completely changes
> our way of flying and makes tools like flight coach useless.
>
> Personally, I can’t imagine this will last, and more over I can’t imagine
> this will actually be used. A few of us (US/ UK / AUS) fought hard against
> it, but in the end it won out. They had no explanation as to how cross box
> maneuvers will accomplish this (such as a rolling circle) but insisted this
> is what was wanted. I’m sure there will be much discussion at events prior
> to this going into effect.
>
> There were also some minor changes for how ties are handled and better
> language and procedure for handling smaller championship events (<40
> pilots). But most of that is benign.
>
>
> F3A Starts on page 25
>
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