[NSRCA-discussion] New FAI Rule Changes

Wed Apr 5 12:15:58 AKDT 2023

I welcome the 5500g limit, for both electric and fully fueled models. I think this levels the playing field. All models should perform the same given the same weight limitation. 

Dan, I agree with you. I think we should align with FAI in light of these new rules. We’ve already decided to use the P for Masters and the FAI A (still being evaluated by the membership). Also, the FAI should consider the use of 12s battery packs, just like we do here in AMA. The new weight rule facilitates the use of these heavier packs. 

The FAI judging criteria use by AMA is at the Contest Board for approval. I agree that we should use FAI judging rules to help with the ambiguities between the AMA and FAI criteria. I don’t know when they will make a decision, but I think it will be in time for the 2024-2025 season. 

We are slowly aligning with FAI. I will emphasize that we can still make changes to our sequences as we feel needed. The Sequence Developement Committee is charged with evaluating sequences and have the authority to make changes if we don’t like what the FAI has put together. They receive feedback from the board, who in turn get feedback from the membership. We are currently evaluating the 2024-2025 sequences. These are based on the 2025 FAI A and FAI P. A final decision on their use will be made by the end of the year. If you have had a chance to fly the new sequences, please provide feedback to your respective DVP. I’ve flown them on my simulator and am very pleased with the maneuvers. 

…Charlie Barrera

> On Apr 5, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> 
> Exactly. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2023, at 10:39 AM, Andrew Jesky via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I think the most frustrating part of this process is it shows it’s not about the culmination of the group deciding what’s best for the F3A community. It is about a select few who already have their minds made up about what direction they want it to go.
>> 
>> Andrew 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Apr 5, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>>> Ha!  I’m no longer involved.  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 5, 2023, at 10:25 AM, Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Derek for Chairman!
>>>> 
>>>> Scott A. McHarg
>>>> 
>>>> Takeoff is optional.  Landing is mandatory!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 12:10 PM Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>>>> All because of the chairman... he needs to be replaced but no one will challenge him.
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 9:35 AM flyintexanmark via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mark, 
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for all your efforts.  Crazy to think any part of precision Aerobatics would include ambiguous geometry judging criteria. What a shame. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards, 
>>>> Mark Hunt
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Mark Atwood via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>>> Date: 4/5/23 11:59 AM (GMT-05:00)
>>>> To: FAI Discussion <f3a-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:f3a-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>>> Cc: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New FAI Rule Changes
>>>> 
>>>> Hey All,
>>>> 
>>>> Attached are the results from the CIAM plenary meeting and vote that took place on April 1st.  These rule changes will go into effect in 2024.  Most of the rules that address F3A are minor and merely clarify clerical issues in the rulebook or help outline procedures.  There are also changes to the wording around telemetry, but again, only for better clarity. But there are TWO notable rule changes.  Neither of which we supported.
>>>> 
>>>> 1) Increase the weight limit to 5.5Kg TAKE OFF WEIGHT.   This is a straight up increase for electric, and a change to weighing procedure for glow planes to include FULL tank of fuel.   The issues here are obvious and I know we have many on both sides of this discussion, but it’s the new rule in FAI.
>>>> 
>>>> 2) This one confounds me.   They have changed the judging guidelines, such that they no longer want accurate geometry relative to the aircrafts plane of flight, but instead want geometric accuracy FROM THE JUDGES PERSPECITVE.    In other words, a half loop at the end of the box needs to LOOK round, rather than BE round relative to the plane of flight.   It completely changes our way of flying and makes tools like flight coach useless.  
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I can’t imagine this will last, and more over I can’t imagine this will actually be used.  A few of us (US/ UK / AUS) fought hard against it, but in the end it won out.  They had no explanation as to how cross box maneuvers will accomplish this (such as a rolling circle) but insisted this is what was wanted.  I’m sure there will be much discussion at events prior to this going into effect.
>>>> 
>>>> There were also some minor changes for how ties are handled and better language and procedure for handling smaller championship events (<40 pilots). But most of that is benign.   
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> F3A Starts on page 25
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