[NSRCA-discussion] Plettenberg Advance 30-10 ESC - Questions

Sun Jun 7 02:37:50 AKDT 2020

Hello Jim,
I am a little behind.  What is a D3?
Thanks,
Vicente "Vince" Bortone

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 11:22 PM james woodward via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> I think there has always been a correlation to low-idle and slow down
> lines.  The key is to keep it low rpm and not let it speed up to an
> un-commanded position/speed.
> If the prop speeds up you are passing more pitch speed.  Keep it slow and
> no-go.
>
> With the D3, it is set to a very low rpm.   I’ll get a reading next time
> out.   It is just ticking over.
>
> On an engine, even CDI, you have to run a rich low-end to keep the prop
> under control in a down line.
>
> Thank You,
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 6, 2020, at 8:02 PM, jeff hillanalysis.com via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>  I’m going out on an aeronautics limb here but I’m guessing that a prop
> that is turning more slowly than its free turning speed is not generating
> as much drag because it is cavitating. I can’t postulate a mechanism for a
> free turning prop to be able to turn fast enough to generate any tractive
> force.
>
> Jeff
> jeff at hillanalysis.com
>
> *American conservatism is about the conservation of the wisdom of the
> nation’s founding. *Barton Swaim paraphrasing George Will, 2019
>
> On Jun 6, 2020, at 8:23 PM, davel322 <davel322 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> There is a critical rpm for maximum braking effect and the slowest
> downline speed with a given prop.  Slower rpm will result in a faster
> downline.  Higher rpm will result in a faster downline.  Rough
> example.....a single blade electric idling at 500 rpm with peak rpm of
> 6K.....the prop can wind up to 3 or 4K in a long downline without specific
> ("drag") braking or governing.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave
>
> Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note8.
>
> Apologies in advance for any typos undoubtedly introduced by auto correct
> and / or talk to text.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "jeff hillanalysis.com via NSRCA-discussion" <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: 6/6/20 21:53 (GMT-05:00)
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Plettenberg Advance 30-10 ESC - Questions
>
> I thought a free turning prop generated more drag than one that was
> restrained from turning freely.
>
> Jeff
> jeff at hillanalysis.com
>
> *There aren’t many small animal problems that can’t be solved with a 22.* -
> Tony Gomez
>
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2020, at 11:41 AM, lucky macy via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> YS mo better
>
> On Jun 6, 2020, at 12:27 PM, flyintexanmark via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>  Jim
>
> Excellent explanation. I have been flying the d3 for a bit now and really
> enjoying the consistency in downline braking.
>
> Mark
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: james woodward via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: 6/6/20 11:21 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: mups53 <mups53 at gmail.com>, General pattern discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Plettenberg Advance 30-10 ESC - Questions
>
> Gents - here is my new(er) to electric perspective on the ESC choice for
> an out runner:  Plett and Himax.
>
> Fresh off running engines All this time I’ll compare it to the two cycle
> versus four cycle debate.  After crashing my Axion /YS setup, I decided to
> buy Jerry’s BJ Incitation with Plett ADV setup so I could get into a more
> modern plane, and thought I would convert it to YS at some point.
>
> I basically went with the OS/Futaba controller right away.  Despite trying
> numerous props, the “flight envelope” was not totally in control.   It was
> lacking the down line and exit speed control offered by the YS -  but ran
> exceptional in all other aspects.   Pleased enough, I bought a second
> Invitation from Paul, with Himax, and also installed an OS controller,
> noting identical performance observations.   Overall great, but even with
> brake set at 90%, there is a freewheeling of the prop that cannot be dealt
> with.
>
> This is EXACTLY analogous to the 2-cycle versus 4- Cycle debate, with the
> Outrunner being the 2-cycle, and the Contras being the 4-cycle.   Until the
> greatest advancement in speed controllers came out:  The D3.
>
> The D3 controller will turn your single prop outrunner (2-cycle’ish), into
> a perfectly tuned YS 4-cycle, every flight.   The D3 will not let the prop
> spin or freewheel or over speed at all - it is eliminated.   It’s
> unbelievable different and the flight envelope becomes 100% in control all
> the time:
>
> Down lines slower and the plane “decelerates” as it should in an exit
> radius.  Even landing speed and approach more under control.   Perhaps my
> friends that have seen it fly before and after will chime in, but there is
> a tru visible difference in the flight profile.  That’s my observations,
> and it really light!!
>
> Thank You,
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 5, 2020, at 8:39 PM, mups53 via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> 
> John
> This is from Davis Snow regarding the Graupner ESC.
> This is what he's found. Dave runs these esc's in his Helis at 12S also.
>
> Mike, as far as I know there are no limitations on the Graupner esc
> concerning the brake unlike the issues of running the brake over 30% for
> the CC. The Graupner actually has a dynamic break from the limited few
> weeks I flew it last year. Once the brake is engaged it appeared that the
> lower one lowered the low end the higher the break percentage would be.  I
> only flew the esc after the NATs last year for a few weeks and at first I
> did not realise it was changing the break the lower I lowered the low end.
> This might be good or bad feature but I'm sure someone would be able to
> make good use of it. I had no issues with temperatures and it seemed like
> the Pyro 600 motor for the contra ran much better. I think it will work
> well with the Pletty or any other current motor out there.
>
> David Snow
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: john tarpinian via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: 6/5/20 6:42 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>,
> Larry Diamond <Larryd at diamondrc.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Plettenberg Advance 30-10 ESC - Questions
>
> Mike
>
> Is there any limitation on the Graupner brake settings?
>
> John Tarpinian
>
> On Friday, June 5, 2020, 07:17:38 PM EDT, Larry Diamond via
> NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>
> Guys, I really appreciate all the feedback and experience with the
> equipment. I have had some offline e-mails, text, and a couple phone calls.
>
>
> Short summary is people have had, or are having, success with a wide range
> of ESCs. I haven’t been told by anyone to stay away from a brand, just some
> differences in strengths/weakness.
>
>
> I hope to be ordering from F3A Unlimited by the end of the month, assuming
> I’m called back to work by then. Been on Furlough since April 6th, no
> call today so it will be at least another week.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Larry Diamond
>
> (812) 630-9592
>
>
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf Of *mups53 via
> NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2020 5:44 PM
> *To:* Michael Cohen <precisionaero at hotmail.com>; General pattern
> discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>; STEVE S <
> steve at ironstarmechanical.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Plettenberg Advance 30-10 ESC -
> Questions
>
>
> Guys many customers use Castle on a Pletty Advance but in the last few
> years less and less. Sales of CC related items are probably down 80% on
> their units versus 5 years ago.
>
> Graupner is very popular as well as Jeti.
>
> And for those thinking Graupner is done. Wait a few weeks. We're back.
>
> My issues with CC is the braking or lack of.
>
> It's never been up to snuff with others on the market.
>
>  Also I like a BEC feature in the Graupner HV80 non opto. It makes for a
> slick easy to use redundant system.
>
> But hey whatever floats your boat is Saul Goodman.
>
> Mike Mueller
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Michael Cohen via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >
>
> Date: 6/5/20 5:04 PM (GMT-06:00)
>
> To: STEVE S <steve at ironstarmechanical.com>, General pattern discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Plettenberg Advance 30-10 ESC - Questions
>
>
> I have used the Pletty advance with a Castle HV80 in two pattern ships for
> years.  I can send you my program if you like Larry
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike C
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
> *From: *STEVE S via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent: *Friday, June 5, 2020 9:14 AM
> *To: *'davel322' <davel322 at comcast.net>; 'General pattern discussion'
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>; 'Larry Diamond' <Larryd at diamondrc.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Plettenberg Advance 30-10 ESC -
> Questions
>
>
> Larry
>
>
> I just went thru this for Brandon with his new Andes . He also has flown
> HIMAX and Edge 80 HV   Now he is flying Pletty with 120 Edge HV Lite – I
> spoke to Castle about amp draws, airflow. Airflow is critical for all.
> However with the 120 lite running at 75 amps most times and bumping up to
> 90 amps for intermittent use
>
> Airflow on the Edge 120 HV Lite is not an issue. Also it is 8 grams
> lighter than the Edge 80 amp HV.
>
>
> Steve Sobolewski
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf Of *davel322 via
> NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2020 10:28 PM
> *To:* Larry Diamond <Larryd at diamondrc.com>; General pattern discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Plettenberg Advance 30-10 ESC -
> Questions
>
>
> Zero concern for a Castle 80HV at 100 Amps for pattern use.  I use the
> lite version and is also fine but needs to have good cooling
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note8.
>
>
> Apologies in advance for any typos undoubtedly introduced by auto correct
> and / or talk to text.
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >
>
> Date: 6/4/20 22:45 (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Plettenberg Advance 30-10 ESC - Questions
>
>
> I’m getting ready to build an Alchemy and committed to buying another
> plane that should arrive late August/early September, and will have it
> built/delivered RTF. Both will get a new Plettenberg Advance 30-10. I’ve
> purchased the Pletty for both planes already.
>
>
> This is a big change for me as I have been flying a Himax 6330-210 Pro w/
> a Castle HV80 ESC since 2011. This set up has been reliable for me, but I
> am ready for a change.
>
>
> I really like the Castle ESCs, but I don’t want to fight the Pletty. Also
> I have seen some data that the Pletty can pull up around 90+ Amps based on
> some posts I have read on various forums. I don’t know if it is normal for
> a Pletty to be over 80 Amps.
>
>
> What is the preferred ESC for the Pletty?
>
> What settings for the ESC?
>
> How is your Throttle Curve set up? I have a Futaba 18sz.
>
>
> I will likely be flying a Falcon 3 blade 19  x 13.5    to   20 x 12.5
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Larry Diamond
>
> (812) 630-9592
>
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