[NSRCA-discussion] 2020 FAI Format

[Dr. Mike Harrison]

On further thought, the F was never intended to be a major factor in local contests, so maybe stay with the 4/1 ratio.  Makes the top pilots stay on the P game.

 

 

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Good point, maybe 2 to 1 bias. 

 

Dr. Michael S. Harrison, DDS

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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2020 FAI Format

 

Mark

 

On Issue 1: Keeping the P composite and one F  at least weighs the P and F equally at 50% each. The second option keeping 4 of 6 and only able to drop one P and one F weighs the P flights at 75% and F at 25%. Seems that the best pilots that can fly P and F well deserve to win, so this is a handicap to them favoring the pilots who only fly P well and struggle with F. I believe P & F should be weighed at least equally for local contests.

 

On issue 2: I concur with returning to the previous Normalizing system.

 

Monte Richard

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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2020 FAI Format

 

Hey All, 

 

This is directed to D4 pilots, but since we have FAI pilots from other districts that attend D4 events I wanted to include everyone.

 

This really only impacts the FAI flyers but I wanted to throw out a few thoughts for the 2020 season and get some feedback so we can decide how best to run scoring in D4 next year.

 

2 Issues…

 

Issue 1:  Our current scoring format at local events over emphasizes the F pattern.  In short, if you win both F rounds on Sunday, you win the contest.   This has a number of negative effects.  For one, it’s discouraging to those that are trying to advance into FAI.  Typically a new comer to FAI has the ability to fly the P pattern extremely competitively, but may struggle in the first year or two…or five… learning the ropes on all the integrated rolling, knife edge and generally complex maneuvers.   Most are happy to take the plunge and get beat up on Sundays…but want to see their strong efforts in the P pattern count for something.      It’s also damaging for efforts at the Nats and other large events where flying P well is critical to success and even the opportunity to fly F in the Semi's.   

 

Recommendation:   We change our final tabulation to more properly emphasize the P flights.   

 

Currently we use a semi-final format but with everyone moving forward.  Carrying a composite P score, and then flying 2 F flights and keeping the best 2 of 3 (thus allowing someone to JUST fly 2 F’s and win the event).   

 

I would recommend one of two alternate approaches.    1) Carry the composite P score, Keeping that score, and your best F score (thus requiring you to keep your P rounds), OR… and this is MY personal preference, we use our normal round dropping formula (best 3 of 4, 4 of 5, 4 of 6 etc) but you may only drop ONE P score, and only ONE F Score.   So for example in a traditional 6 round event, you would have your best 3 P scores, and best F score to determine the results.

 

Issue 2)   Normalization.   The new normalization has caused considerable problems locally and on the world stage.  It’s likely to be replaced / amended in the next rules cycle.  Most countries (canada included) have gone back to the old format for all local events.   I recommend we do the same.   The new method has tremendous value when there are 50-60 competitors, as it prevents one high score from making the entire round a throw away for the rest of the competitors.  But with smaller groups, even in the semi-finals at the worlds, it has the strong negative effect of making one round worth more than another.  Which can highlight and exacerbate weather conditions, judging bias, etc.   Its the reason we started normalizing in the first place.

 

Recommendation:  We revert to traditional normalization (highest score equals 1000) for the 2020 season.

 

Thoughts??

 

Peter/ Scott - What can the scoring program handle?

 

-Mark

 

 

 

 

 

 

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