[NSRCA-discussion] Center of 3 of 4 pt roll reversed

Tue Nov 26 21:00:43 AKST 2019

That illustration is not from the 70’s. In the 1982-83 rulebook the center of the Reverse Point Roll is not specified. Neither is it in the 1984-85 rulebook. I know how I flew it at the 1983 Worlds. 

I’m fine with however it is in the current descriptions. I guess I just missed those pilots meetings at the Nats and Team Trials in the 70’s. You had to be there to appreciate that comment. 

Tony Frackowiak 

> On Nov 26, 2019, at 7:31 PM, Wayne Galliga <wayg2013 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> <image1.png>
> From AMA rules 70s this illustration makes it clear where the center of the maneuver is.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Anthony Frackowiak via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>> 
>> That’s one way to look at it. Another way is that the maneuver has 6 points, or 6 distinct wing positions. It also has 6 rolling sections. So the maneuver starts with a rolling section and ends with a “point” section. So, roll, point, roll, point, roll, point. Then reverse roll, point, roll, point, roll, point. So the center is at the conclusion of the 3rd point where the reverse roll segment begins. 
>> 
>> Tony Frackowiak 
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 6:33 PM, Stuart Chale <schale1 at outlook.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I see it as wings level going in as the same as wings level going out.  If you agree with that then you have 11 elements if you count the 1/4 rolls and flight segments.  1 is 1/4 roll to the first knife edge. 2 is the first knife edge, 3 is the next 1/4 roll, 4 is upright flight etc
>>> 1 is the first 1/4 roll and 11 is the last 1/4 roll.  # 6 is the middle of that group and it is the second knife edge flight
>>> 
>>> Stuart
>>> 
>>> <jgedcanjdfoahonj.png>
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>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 11/26/2019 9:02 PM, Anthony Frackowiak wrote:
>>>> I still disagree. This maneuver has been flown since the late 70’s, early 80’s. The center has always been considered to be the point where the roll reverses. Don’t forget the last wing level is a “point” and should be considered a part of the maneuver. 
>>>> 
>>>> Tony Frackowiak 
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 3:44 PM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The maneuver description calls for a hesitation at 270 degrees, not an immediate reversal in this case.  So the center is the middle of the second knife edge.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Stuart
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/26/2019 4:36 PM, Braxton Dudley via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>>>>>> That was my understanding as well.  I believe that is what we had in the description of the maneuver under the downgrades.  It said “maneuver not centered” In parentheses it had “knife edge”.  I assume that would be the center of the second knife edge.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Braxton Dudley 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 2:21 PM, joncarter60 via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That is certainly my interpretation as well.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jon Carter
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6 edge, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>>>> From: Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>>> Date: 11/26/19 5:16 AM (GMT-08:00)
>>>>>>> To: Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Center of 3 of 4 pt roll reversed
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I believe it should be the center of the second knife edge.
>>>>>>> Stuart
>>>>>>>> On 11/26/2019 8:02 AM, Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>> Has anyone considered what the center of the 3of4 pt rolls reversed in the Masters sequence might be?
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
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