[NSRCA-discussion] Arming Device for electric airplanes

Wed Sep 26 11:27:03 AKDT 2018

To me the big thing is the *convenience* and *expediency* of disarming via an external plug.  Many canopies can be fussy about how they go on and off and, at a contest where we try to keep things moving quickly, especially when one plane has just landed and another is on approach it’s quick and easy for the caller to disarm the plane and carry it into the pits if there is an external device.  Without that, and in the hurry-up scenarios it is real easy for an armed plane to get carried into the pits.

Quite frankly though, it’s not going to happen until the top pilots start setting the example rather than being “part of the problem”.  They AREN’T a problem because they fly so much and have a regular caller who knows the routine and quickly disarms the plane, etc. but they need to set an example for the rest who DON’T have those advantages.  I get the “point of failure” concerns, and agree that things like the deans arming plug approach, etc. can introduce those. But an anti-spark external arming bullet, IMHO *reduces* points of failure by ensuring you get no carbon buildup on any battery/ESC connections.

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From: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on behalf of Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 12:12:07 PM
To: derekemmett at yahoo.com; NSRCA NSRCA
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming Device for electric airplanes

Derek,

The key is that you saw him doing that.  You could have told him.  If you didn't want to tell him you just could make aware of all around to watch out.   It is basic safety that has been proved in the industry.  Any power electric circuit has to have an external visible disconnect.  It is just the basic "Show me rule"   We just want to make sure that the gun cannot fire.  Of courser there are always exceptions and accidents happen.  However, the external arming switch will reduce the chances of accidents for sure.

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:06 PM Derek Emmett via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
The method of disarming the plane is only as good as the pilot (external or internal).  It is for the pilot to enforce the safety of his plane, otherwise you need a watchdog at every flight line to really see the action take place.  In the later many of us take for granted and expect the pilot to do his job.  Sometimes we observe the disarming and sometimes we don't.  Perhaps this is where the biggest improvement in safety could take place.

This last weekend's pattern contest, I noticed a pilot take his plane out of the car, put it all together, then start to put flight pack in, with the arming plug still installed!?  Point is safety errors will happen regardless.  We are the drivers of the planes, thus we need to be the 100% responsible party of course.  I think the biggest improvement we can immediately apply is to individually watch what our buddies are doing, and just be the extra set of eyes and caution.  Lets help each other not make these critical errors.

Best
Derek...

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018, 8:47:49 AM PDT, Anthony Romano via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:

Both of those incidents were due to pilots not following the statement below. Having an arming plug would not have prevented either incident.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 11:29 AM
To: Jon Bruml; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming Device for electric airplanes

Right from the AMA competition guide.

At no time will a model be left unrestrained or unattended while running or with the electric motor power circuit(s) physically connected unless the model is on the runway.

All models that have the capability of Fail Safe in the radio shall have the throttle set to Fail Safe in a way that the motor/engine comes to a complete stop or a minimum idle if it were to lose signal from the transmitter.

Scott A.

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From: Jon Bruml via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Date: 9/26/18 11:10 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Joe Lachowski <jlachow at hotmail.com<mailto:jlachow at hotmail.com>>, Vicente Bortone <vincebrc at gmail.com<mailto:vincebrc at gmail.com>>, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming Device for electric airplanes

Okay how about the FAi pilot who accidentally advanced his throttle in the pits at a June contest and destroyed the entire back end of an Oxai ?
Only by grace was no one injured

Jonathan Bruml
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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 8:07:08 AM
To: Vicente Bortone; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming Device for electric airplanes

So you want to require an arming device based on a sport flyers stupidity.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 10:38:30 AM
To: Vogel, Peter; NSRCA NSRCA
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming Device for electric airplanes

This is real experience.  About 3-4 years ago I was getting ready to fly with another friend.  Both of our planes were already in the pits and we just were talking before starting the day.  A pilot came with an electric plane and parked between us.  He left it there and decided that he needs to go and get something.  About a minute later his plane came to live suddenly and took us from the pits.  It starting to do an small loop and was coming directly toward us.  It was so fast that my friend said "take cover". We were lucky that the plane crashed in front of us and there were no more pilots flying or around.  It was so fast that I didn't have time to move an inch and could have hit us easily.  The plane didn't have an arming switch outside so there was no way for us to know if was armed.  The owner came and we never were able to figure out what really happened.

I think makes sense to put together a formal request that will require external disconnect outside the electric powered planes.  It is easy to justify since is already a requirement of the National Electrical Code and OSHA.  Anyone out there wants to put together a draft.  I will help to signed since I am a CD.

!Gone Flying!

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 7:41 PM Vogel, Peter via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
Rule says you must disarm the plane before bringing into the pits, does not say how.  That can mean take off canopy and unplug.  I’ve moved to using a Jeti anti-spark bullet in-line on the red side of the battery-esc connection with the bullet routed to the outside of the plane.  Quick, simple, foolproof.  Anti-spark prevents carbon buildup on the bullets.

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From: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>> on behalf of Phil Spelt via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 5:34:02 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming Device for electric airplanes

Guys, what is the current status of arming devices in NSRCA for you electric airplanes?  Does anyone know what the AMA says about arming devices -- I can't find my way around the new web site yet, and this is the easy way out!  lol

Thanks,

Phil Spelt, AMA 1294, Scientific Leader Member
SPA L-18, Board Member, KCRC Emeritus
Oliver Springs, TN (865) 435-1476v (865) 604-0541c

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