[NSRCA-discussion] Election

Mon Dec 24 15:37:58 AKST 2018

John,

Very well said.  Thanks for all clarifications.

Merry Christmas and Happy New  Yest 2019.

VIcente “Vince” Bortone

On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 8:59 AM John Ford via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> I think that you cannot automatically apply general election standards to
> all organizations equally. The NSCRA by-laws are NOT specific   about any
> of these standards. There is no requirement that the ballots be private,
> and the tally by a 3rd party is a “should”, not a “shall”, and
> communication of election data is not tied to a particular step in the
> election process. At the very most, this may be a reason for the next BOD
> to review the election process in the by-laws.
>
> There are plenty of non-profit organizations that hold elections in many
> ways, spanning from “show of hands”, all the way to extreme application of
> Robert’s Rules of Order. It doesn’t mean that the “show of hands” clubs are
> unethical, even though such elections are soaked in peer pressure and
> social awkwardness…it’s in their by-laws, and that’s how they do it. It is
> what it is.
>
>
>
> We are somewhere closer to the “show of hands” end, it seems. If we don’t
> like the process in our by-laws, that’s a separate issue.
>
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>
> Rather than see dark shadows in the actions of well-intentioned
> volunteers, I choose to think that the current process is within the
> by-laws.
>
>
>
> John
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> *From: *Ken Dunlap via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent: *Sunday, December 23, 2018 8:08 AM
> *To: *David Harmon <k6xyz at sbcglobal.net>; General pattern discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
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> +1
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> This is wrong at so many levels. Let’s void this election. You just don’t
> start tallying ballots before the election closes.
>
>
>
> Ken Dunlap
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> *From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on
> behalf of David Harmon via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 11:07:03 PM
> *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
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> Plus 2 or 3 or 16…..jeeeze…
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> *David Harmon*
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> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Jon Bruml via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:54 PM
> *To:* Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>; Frackowiak Tony <
> frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>; General pattern discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
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> Yes agreed
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> We will have to nullify the election and start a new process
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> Jonathan Bruml
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> *Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 7:52 PM
> *To:* Frackowiak Tony; General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
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> It may be the end of days because I agree with Frak.
>
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> There is absolutely no reason why the data should have been available let
> alone discussed.
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> The big question now is how do we recover?
>
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> On Dec 22, 2018, at 9:52 PM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> I’m sorry that you don’t see the impropriety here. You have an incumbent
> officer running for re-election able to see just how close the election is
> and then being able to drum up more votes for himself.
>
>
>
> This election is now tainted. No one should be able to see the vote tally
> before the voting period has ended. The election should be nullified, the
> party or parties involved in releasing the vote tally prior to the
> conclusion of voting should be censured and removed from the process. The
> election should be held again and the voting results sent to an outside
> party. After the end of their normal term no decisions should be made by
> the BOD until a proper election can be held and the newly elected officers
> installed.
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>
> Should we as NSRCA members not be allowed a fair election?
>
>
>
> Tony Frackowiak
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> On Dec 22, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Monte Richard <
> mrichard at compassengineering.com> wrote:
>
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>
> The discussion was centered around the fact that the voting was close to
> encourage the district Vice Presidents to encourage the members in their
> districts to cast their votes. It appears to have worked as this election
> looks like it will have the highest voter turnout in NSRCA history.
> Certainly a lot higher then the previous election which only had a voter
> turnout of 12 members.
>
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> On Dec 22, 2018, at 6:09 PM, Tony Frackowiak via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrcaorg <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>
> I was looking at the minutes of the December 12th NSRCA BOD meeting.
> During that meeting according to the minutes there was a discussion about
> the current vote count in the election.
>
>
>
> Isn’t voting open until the end of the month?  And isn’t there a longer
> time for mailed in ballots to be received? Why are the votes being tallied
> and discussed by the Board before the end of the voting period?
>
>
>
> That is highly unethical and smacks of voting fraud. At the very least it
> sounds like an attempt to influence the results.
>
>
>
> I will await a reply.
>
>
>
> Tony Frackowiak
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Vicente "Vince" Bortone
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