[NSRCA-discussion] Election

Sat Dec 22 18:15:23 AKST 2018

+1 to comments from Tony and Derek. 
Didn't the ballots in the past go to third party? 
Regards,
Dave
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-------- Original message --------From: Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Date: 12/22/18  10:07 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Frackowiak Tony <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>, Monte Richard <mrichard at compassengineering.com> Cc: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election 

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I’m in agreement with Tony on this issue.  The second any one of the officers even looked at the current votes cast and communicated that with anyone else broke ALL ethics rules associated with a fair election.  Just by telling
 anyone, that may spur that person to start telling his friends that his candidate is behind and that they need to vote for his friend which then makes the election tainted.  

As a former president of the NSRCA I’m really disappointed in how this election has taken a turn for the worse.  It doesn’t matter how many votes were cast in the last election... or that this election is really close. What matters
 is that it could be perceived that one, or both, candidates may have received votes because people may be trying to manipulate the outcome of the election.

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From: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on behalf of Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 6:53 PM

To: Monte Richard

Cc: General pattern discussion

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election

I’m sorry that you don’t see the impropriety here. You have an incumbent officer running for re-election able to see just how close the election is and then being able to drum up more votes for himself.

This election is now tainted. No one should be able to see the vote tally before the voting period has ended. The election should be nullified, the party or parties involved in releasing the vote tally prior to the conclusion of voting should
 be censured and removed from the process. The election should be held again and the voting results sent to an outside party. After the end of their normal term no decisions should be made by the BOD until a proper election can be held and the newly elected
 officers installed.

Should we as NSRCA members not be allowed a fair election?

Tony Frackowiak

On Dec 22, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Monte Richard <mrichard at compassengineering.com> wrote:

The
 discussion was centered around the fact that the voting was close to encourage the district Vice Presidents to encourage the members in their districts to cast their votes. It appears to have worked as this election looks like it will have the highest voter
 turnout in NSRCA history. Certainly a lot higher then the previous election which only had a voter turnout of 12 members.

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On Dec 22, 2018, at 6:09 PM, Tony Frackowiak via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrcaorg> wrote:

I was looking at the minutes of the December 12th NSRCA BOD meeting. During that meeting according to the minutes there was a discussion about the current vote count in the election. 

Isn’t voting open until the end of the month?  And isn’t there a longer time for mailed in ballots to be received? Why are the votes being tallied and discussed by the Board before the end of the voting period?

That is highly unethical and smacks of voting fraud. At the very least it sounds like an attempt to influence the results. 

I will await a reply. 

Tony Frackowiak 

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