[NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result

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From: Matthew Finley via NSRCA-discussion
To: davel322 at comcast.net, General pattern discussion, 'Jon Lowe'
Sent: November 13, 2017 at 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result

So what exactly does a spin entry look like to be scored a 10. A break, rotation of the CG, etc ? Now how about snaps ? Judging a true 45 at the end of the box ? What is a flute or Piano supposed to look like ?lol



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From: davel322--- via NSRCA-discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: 11/13/17 4:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: 'Jon Lowe'<jonlowe at aol.com>, 'General pattern discussion'<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result


Joseph was the top Jr from the US Team trials, and therefore, part of the US Team, and eligible to be counted towards the Team result.For countries that can field 4 man Teams, the top 3 pilots count towards the Team result.An individual attending the WC as defending Jr/Sr Champion and NOT part of a country Team does not count towards the Team result.It is, theoretically then possible to have 6 people from one country fly in the WC……3 man team plus 1 jr member, a defending WC, and a defending Jr WC……but only the 3 plus 1 are eligible to count for the Team result.





Regards,





Dave





From:NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf OfJon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion
Sent:Monday, November 13, 2017 4:35 PM
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Subject:Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result





In other words, if Joseph had elected to return this year as reigning Junior WC rather than as part of the team, we could have sent another Junior this year. Not sure if other Juniors entered the team trials at the 2016 Nats, but assuming some did, one of them could have gone. Joseph's placement this year would have not contributed toward the team championship though.


Jon



On Monday, November 13, 2017 Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org(mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org)>wrote:


Kevin,



The point of that rule was to level the playing field, so to speak, so that a Junior WC could still defend their title at the next WC.That was never the case in the 3 prior WCs - the Junior category was added to the WCs in 2011.Also, the Jury can't make a decision for everyone - they can only impact the WC in progress.Now, if a rule change is needed, or a clarification needs to be made going forward, based on the decision of the Jury at a WC (based on a protest), then this type of issue needs to be raised at the F3A Sub-committee level, and once there is agreement there then it should be voted and accepted at the Bureau level.If a clarification is made then it needs to be official and the wording needs to be changed to address it.



BTW, I'm all for increasing the exposure of young people to the sport at the highest level.



-Derek






On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Kevin Young via NSRCA-discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org(mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org)>wrote:

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> From:NSRCA-discussion<nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org(mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org)>on behalf of Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org(mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org)>
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> That is not the intent of the rule and I should know because I wrote it.Here is the rule:
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> On 11/13/17, 10:22 AM, "Don Ramsey"<donramsey at gmail.com(mailto:donramsey at gmail.com)>wrote:
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> Derek, according to the jury he can return as an individual if he is over 18 but would not be part of the team.So, could have 5 US entrants but only 4 team members.
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> Provided he will be 18 or younger in 2019.Will he?
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> He already gets a free pass to Italy for being reigning Jr. Champion (according to the rules)
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> >And an amazing team effort I must say !!!!!!Looks like Joseph is ready for the 2019 team without the Junior status.
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