[NSRCA-discussion] The most important thing to understand about pattern

[Matthew Finley]

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From: Bill Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: 7/13/17 12:33 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>, Shulman Jason <justanotherflyr at gmail.com>, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The most important thing to understand about pattern

+1.5 million...

I asked Greyson a couple weeks ago why one of his young flying buddies didn't join us for some pattern fun...he immediately said, "he's not willing to put in the time".  I've not one time said anything to him about the time it takes and he pretty much sets his own practice schedule, but on his own at 13 he gets that.  There has to room for Jason and the passionate pack as well as the sport flyer tired of boring holes.
Scott is correct about addressing the balance of the diversity of interest we have - and, are very fortunate to have!  It's a challenge as it runs all the way from simply wanting to be better today than yesterday, all the way to wanting to be the World Champion.  Let the participants make the choices, make them easy to make, and watch it grow.
Bill

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From: "Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
To: Shulman Jason <justanotherflyr at gmail.com>; General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The most important thing to understand about pattern

Jason’s comment here about the unique nature of FAI/Masters and they ability to go back and forth is something I think we REALLY need to talk about.  The ability for people to go back and forth in ALL the classes.  For some, the top of the mountain is F3A and jumping in and out of Masters helps them deal with life issues…  Crazy work schedule,  Aging, raising kids… all the things that make it hard to practice and stay in your top class.   But what if you’re “top” class is Advanced??  Then you need to ability to fly intermediate when that busy year comes and you just want to be able to participate and not feel like an idiot.   I know, I know, they can get approval.  But it should be simply than that.  Our situations are all unique, and they vary throughout the year and season.

Something I’ll likely submit for the next rule cycle.

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On Jul 13, 2017, at 11:22 AM, Jas S via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:

True, but let's not throw F3A under the bus. We have no control of it but do have control over Sportsman-Masters. There is no 'destination class', the only dc is the one you as a pilot chooses. The good thing about the Masters/F3A classes is a pilot can go back and forth between them as they choose.
I agree that there shouldn't be difficult integrated rolling stuff in Masters, but when pilots complained about a roll across the top 90° (not proposed 180°, which I don't condone) I was perplexed. The easiest way to do that was roll and use your throttle to make the loop round. Sometimes I believe we overthink flying. Look for the simplest solutions first before making it so difficult.
It would be interesting to have future and current Masters make up or list some 'integrated rolling' maneuvers that you've done or would like to do. If I'm overstepping boundaries not being a Masters pilot, my apologies.

Jas iP

On Jul 13, 2017, at 11:11 AM, S. McNickle via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:

I think we need to decide if we're promoting a forum for the most talented and passionate among us, or maintaining a hobby for the rest.
Too far in either direction costs us participants.

On July 13, 2017 at 11:04 AM Anthony Romano via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:


It has been said many times but you can't teach desire. Reread the last paragraph of Jason's post.

Having flown Pattern for so long now I've realized something. Pattern is a passion, a want. You can't 'make' someone a pattern pilot, they have to be one and not know it yet. Yes pattern makes most of the Worlds best pilots, but you can't take a pilot and make them a pattern pilot. If there isn't a drive to become better, not the best (that's the 2% of us), you'll only have a casual or short term pattern pilot at best. At my age I know my time is probably limited as far as being competitive or even having a chance at winning big events anymore, but my drive to be better and push myself is still there. So I will continue to learn new F patterns that will drain me every day I practice because I am a Pattern pilot 😁

Jas iP

When do people leave when the top of mountain is insurmountable and the effort greatly out weighs the benefit. I have heard hundreds of pilots say "this has become too much work" and can't recall one who said this is too easy.

Anthony


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