[NSRCA-discussion] New Masters Sequence

John Gayer west.engineering at comcast.net
Fri Jul 7 19:49:59 AKDT 2017


Don't forget the double keyhole, comet and golf ball. How about the 
latest in P19 called Et? It must have arrived on Earth via a "comet".

On 7/7/2017 9:07 PM, Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
> Pet peeves: The names eyecatcher and trombone are really stupid, and 
> do not describe the maneuvers at all. I believe the eyecatcher is a 
> variation on the very old crazy 8. The trombone is better described as 
> a laydown or 45 degree Humpty. At least we got rid of the equally dumb 
> named clown dance, a very poor maneuver besides.
>
> Just because FAI uses stupid names doesn't mean we have to!
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Jul 7, 2017 9:18 PM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion 
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>     And I thought I was the sarcastic one!
>
>     Maneuvers are and have been pulled from the P sequences in FAI. 
>     This is where the knife edge double I comes from (its not in the
>     Development guide).  Should we take that one out too?
>
>     The knife edge flight with 1 ¼ in and out, the double key which
>     was in most of our prior versions, the eyecatcher we fly now is
>     probably form FAI (anyone form the last sequence committee can
>     confirm or not)
>
>     I am a member of the sequence committee and yes I have some issues
>     with the masters pattern as put out but like you I was only one
>     vote and this is the sequence that  the committee including 2 new
>     members came up with.
>
>     I was asked if I would be on the committee, I agreed.  I wasn’t
>     told it would ruffle your feathers.  I as well as the other
>     members put a lot of work into the sequences, as I said before
>     there was pretty much full agreement on the other 2 sequences and
>     I think they are quite good.
>
>     And yes Tony this is aimed at you but I think some of your
>     comments are derogatory and uncalled for.
>
>     Stuart
>
>     Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
>     for Windows 10
>
>     *From: *Frackowiak Tony <mailto:frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>
>     *Sent: *Friday, July 7, 2017 9:34 PM
>     *To: *Stuart Chale <mailto:schale1 at outlook.com>
>     *Cc: *General pattern discussion
>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>; John Gayer
>     <mailto:jgghome at comcast.net>
>     *Subject: *Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Masters Sequence
>
>     Well, there's the problem. The Sequence Committee is supposed to
>     be creating patterns using the Sequence Development Guide, not the
>     F3A catalog. So it should be using K-Factors from the Guide.
>
>     Tony Frackowiak
>
>     On Jul 7, 2017, at 6:19 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
>
>
>
>         Some of the K factors like the knife edge roll are taken from
>         the FAI catalog.
>
>         Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>         On Jul 7, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Frackowiak Tony via
>         NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>         <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>
>             Both of the cross box maneuvers have no options to stay in
>             line.
>
>             Every Square Vertical 8 in the current Guide has a K of 5.
>             Why would this one be a 4?
>
>             Downwind KE Golf Ball is still a poor choice and should
>             have a K of 5.
>
>             The KE flight with 1 1/4 rolls without some definition of
>             the length of the KE will end up being two 1 1/4 rolls.
>             Plus simple KE flight in the current Guide is a K4. Why
>             should this be a K4 with the addition of two 1 1/4 rolls?
>             Should be a 5.
>
>             Two rolls reversed in the Current Guide is a K4. The
>             elimination of the pause makes this a more difficult
>             maneuver yet it stays at K4? Should at least be a 5.
>
>             I'm sorry, but in my opinion this needs a fresh piece of
>             paper and start over. Start by making the composition of
>             the Sequence Committee according to the Charter.
>
>             Tony Frackowiak
>
>             On Jul 7, 2017, at 4:35 PM, John Gayer via
>             NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>
>
>
>                 Let's try this one.
>
>                 	
>
>                 Maneuver
>
>                 	
>
>                 KF
>
>                 	
>
>                 Exit
>
>                 	
>                 	
>
>                 Change maneuver to:
>
>                 	
>
>                 New K
>
>                 	
>
>                 new exit
>
>                 1
>
>                 	
>
>                 Takeoff
>
>                 	
>
>                 1
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 1
>
>                 	
>
>                 2
>
>                 	
>
>                 Double Immelman with Knife Edge Flight inside loop
>                 then outside loop
>
>                 	
>
>                 5
>
>                 	
>
>                 Upright
>
>                 	
>
>                 U
>
>                 	
>
>                 Triangle Loop from top, 1/2 rolls on 45's, 1 1/2 snap
>                 on top leg,
>
>                 	
>
>                 5
>
>                 	
>
>                 inverted
>
>                 3
>
>                 	
>
>                 1/2 Loop with Integrated 1/2 Roll
>
>                 	
>
>                 3
>
>                 	
>
>                 Upright
>
>                 	
>
>                 TA
>
>                 	
>
>                 2 1/2 turn inverted spin
>
>                 	
>
>                 3
>
>                 	
>
>                 inverted
>
>                 4
>
>                 	
>
>                 Triangle Loop from top, 1/2 rolls on 45's, 1 1/2 snap
>                 on top leg
>
>                 	
>
>                 5
>
>                 	
>
>                 inverted
>
>                 	
>
>                 D
>
>                 	
>
>                 Double Immelman with Knife Edge Flight outside loop
>                 then inside loop
>
>                 	
>
>                 5
>
>                 	
>
>                 upright
>
>                 5
>
>                 	
>
>                 1/2 Square Loop with Snap Roll in down track
>
>                 	
>
>                 4
>
>                 	
>
>                 Upright
>
>                 	
>
>                 TA
>
>                 	
>
>                 Top Hat, 3 of 4 Roll up, 3/4 Roll down
>
>                 	
>
>                 2
>
>                 	
>
>                 inverted
>
>                 6
>
>                 	
>
>                 Six-sided Loop, 2 of 4 Rolls in leg 2, two 1/4 Rolls
>                 opposite in leg 4
>
>                 	
>
>                 4
>
>                 	
>
>                 inverted
>
>                 	
>
>                 U
>
>                 	
>
>                 Six-sided Loop, 2 of 4 Rolls in leg 2 and 4
>
>                 	
>
>                 4
>
>                 	
>
>                 inverted
>
>                 7
>
>                 	
>
>                 Humpty Bump with Roll Options, 2 of 2 Roll up, Full
>                 Roll down; or 3/4 Roll up and down
>
>                 	
>
>                 3
>
>                 	
>
>                 Upright
>
>                 	
>
>                 TA
>
>                 	
>
>                 Stall Turn with two 1/4 Rolls down
>
>                 	
>
>                 2
>
>                 	
>
>                 upright
>
>                 8
>
>                 	
>
>                 Knife Edge Flight with 1 ¼ Roll in and out
>
>                 	
>
>                 4
>
>                 	
>
>                 inverted
>
>                 	
>
>                 D
>
>                 	
>
>                 Knife Edge Flight with 1 ¼ Roll in and out
>
>                 	
>
>                 4
>
>                 	
>
>                 upright
>
>                 9
>
>                 	
>
>                 Stall Turn with two 1/4 Rolls opposite up, 1/2 Roll down
>
>                 	
>
>                 3
>
>                 	
>
>                 Upright
>
>                 	
>
>                 TA
>
>                 	
>
>                 Stall Turn with two 1/4 Rolls  up, 1/2 Roll down
>
>                 	
>
>                 3
>
>                 	
>
>                 upright
>
>                 10
>
>                 	
>
>                 Vertical Cuban 8 with 1/2 Roll, Full Roll
>
>                 	
>
>                 4
>
>                 	
>
>                 Inverted
>
>                 	
>
>                 U
>
>                 	
>
>                 Vertical square 8 from bottom,  full roll at
>                 mid-level, 1/2 roll 2nd mid-level
>
>                 	
>
>                 4
>
>                 	
>
>                 inverted
>
>                 11
>
>                 	
>
>                 Trombone with Roll
>
>                 	
>
>                 2
>
>                 	
>
>                 Upright
>
>                 	
>
>                 TA
>
>                 	
>
>                 reverse shark, snap on 45
>
>                 	
>
>                 4
>
>                 	
>
>                 upright
>
>                 12
>
>                 	
>
>                 Golf Ball with 3/4 Rolls and Knife Edge Loop
>
>                 	
>
>                 4
>
>                 	
>
>                 Upright
>
>                 	
>
>                 D
>
>                 	
>
>                 Golf Ball with 1/4 Rolls and Knife Edge Loop
>
>                 	
>
>                 4
>
>                 	
>
>                 inverted
>
>                 13
>
>                 	
>
>                 Top Hat, 3 of 4 Roll up, 3/4 Roll down
>
>                 	
>
>                 2
>
>                 	
>
>                 Upright
>
>                 	
>
>                 TA
>
>                 	
>
>                 Humpty Bump push top, 3/4 Roll up and down
>
>                 	
>
>                 2
>
>                 	
>
>                 upright
>
>                 14
>
>                 	
>
>                 Figure Z with 4 of 8 Roll in 45
>
>                 	
>
>                 4
>
>                 	
>
>                 Inverted
>
>                 	
>
>                 U
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 4
>
>                 	
>
>                 15
>
>                 	
>
>                 Inverted 2-turn Spin
>
>                 	
>
>                 2
>
>                 	
>
>                 Upright
>
>                 	
>
>                 TA
>
>                 	
>
>                 1/2 square loop with full roll
>
>                 	
>
>                 2
>
>                 	
>
>                 upright
>
>                 16
>
>                 	
>
>                 Two Slow Rolls opposite, no hesitation
>
>                 	
>
>                 4
>
>                 	
>
>                 Upright
>
>                 	
>
>                 D
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 4
>
>                 	
>
>                 17
>
>                 	
>
>                 Stall turn with half rolls up and down
>
>                 	
>
>                 2
>
>                 	
>
>                 Upright
>
>                 	
>
>                 TA
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 2
>
>                 	
>
>                 18
>
>                 	
>
>                 Loop with Integrated Roll in top 180
>
>                 	
>
>                 5
>
>                 	
>
>                 Upright
>
>                 	
>
>                 U
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 5
>
>                 	
>
>                 19
>
>                 	
>
>                 Landing
>
>                 	
>
>                 1
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 1
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 Total K-factor
>
>                 	
>
>                 62
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 	
>
>                 61
>
>                 	
>
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