[NSRCA-discussion] New Masters Sequence
John Gayer
west.engineering at comcast.net
Fri Jul 7 19:49:59 AKDT 2017
Don't forget the double keyhole, comet and golf ball. How about the
latest in P19 called Et? It must have arrived on Earth via a "comet".
On 7/7/2017 9:07 PM, Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
> Pet peeves: The names eyecatcher and trombone are really stupid, and
> do not describe the maneuvers at all. I believe the eyecatcher is a
> variation on the very old crazy 8. The trombone is better described as
> a laydown or 45 degree Humpty. At least we got rid of the equally dumb
> named clown dance, a very poor maneuver besides.
>
> Just because FAI uses stupid names doesn't mean we have to!
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Jul 7, 2017 9:18 PM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> And I thought I was the sarcastic one!
>
> Maneuvers are and have been pulled from the P sequences in FAI.
> This is where the knife edge double I comes from (its not in the
> Development guide). Should we take that one out too?
>
> The knife edge flight with 1 ¼ in and out, the double key which
> was in most of our prior versions, the eyecatcher we fly now is
> probably form FAI (anyone form the last sequence committee can
> confirm or not)
>
> I am a member of the sequence committee and yes I have some issues
> with the masters pattern as put out but like you I was only one
> vote and this is the sequence that the committee including 2 new
> members came up with.
>
> I was asked if I would be on the committee, I agreed. I wasn’t
> told it would ruffle your feathers. I as well as the other
> members put a lot of work into the sequences, as I said before
> there was pretty much full agreement on the other 2 sequences and
> I think they are quite good.
>
> And yes Tony this is aimed at you but I think some of your
> comments are derogatory and uncalled for.
>
> Stuart
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
> for Windows 10
>
> *From: *Frackowiak Tony <mailto:frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>
> *Sent: *Friday, July 7, 2017 9:34 PM
> *To: *Stuart Chale <mailto:schale1 at outlook.com>
> *Cc: *General pattern discussion
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>; John Gayer
> <mailto:jgghome at comcast.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Masters Sequence
>
> Well, there's the problem. The Sequence Committee is supposed to
> be creating patterns using the Sequence Development Guide, not the
> F3A catalog. So it should be using K-Factors from the Guide.
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
> On Jul 7, 2017, at 6:19 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
>
>
>
> Some of the K factors like the knife edge roll are taken from
> the FAI catalog.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Frackowiak Tony via
> NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>
> Both of the cross box maneuvers have no options to stay in
> line.
>
> Every Square Vertical 8 in the current Guide has a K of 5.
> Why would this one be a 4?
>
> Downwind KE Golf Ball is still a poor choice and should
> have a K of 5.
>
> The KE flight with 1 1/4 rolls without some definition of
> the length of the KE will end up being two 1 1/4 rolls.
> Plus simple KE flight in the current Guide is a K4. Why
> should this be a K4 with the addition of two 1 1/4 rolls?
> Should be a 5.
>
> Two rolls reversed in the Current Guide is a K4. The
> elimination of the pause makes this a more difficult
> maneuver yet it stays at K4? Should at least be a 5.
>
> I'm sorry, but in my opinion this needs a fresh piece of
> paper and start over. Start by making the composition of
> the Sequence Committee according to the Charter.
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
> On Jul 7, 2017, at 4:35 PM, John Gayer via
> NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>
>
>
> Let's try this one.
>
>
>
> Maneuver
>
>
>
> KF
>
>
>
> Exit
>
>
>
>
> Change maneuver to:
>
>
>
> New K
>
>
>
> new exit
>
> 1
>
>
>
> Takeoff
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
>
> 2
>
>
>
> Double Immelman with Knife Edge Flight inside loop
> then outside loop
>
>
>
> 5
>
>
>
> Upright
>
>
>
> U
>
>
>
> Triangle Loop from top, 1/2 rolls on 45's, 1 1/2 snap
> on top leg,
>
>
>
> 5
>
>
>
> inverted
>
> 3
>
>
>
> 1/2 Loop with Integrated 1/2 Roll
>
>
>
> 3
>
>
>
> Upright
>
>
>
> TA
>
>
>
> 2 1/2 turn inverted spin
>
>
>
> 3
>
>
>
> inverted
>
> 4
>
>
>
> Triangle Loop from top, 1/2 rolls on 45's, 1 1/2 snap
> on top leg
>
>
>
> 5
>
>
>
> inverted
>
>
>
> D
>
>
>
> Double Immelman with Knife Edge Flight outside loop
> then inside loop
>
>
>
> 5
>
>
>
> upright
>
> 5
>
>
>
> 1/2 Square Loop with Snap Roll in down track
>
>
>
> 4
>
>
>
> Upright
>
>
>
> TA
>
>
>
> Top Hat, 3 of 4 Roll up, 3/4 Roll down
>
>
>
> 2
>
>
>
> inverted
>
> 6
>
>
>
> Six-sided Loop, 2 of 4 Rolls in leg 2, two 1/4 Rolls
> opposite in leg 4
>
>
>
> 4
>
>
>
> inverted
>
>
>
> U
>
>
>
> Six-sided Loop, 2 of 4 Rolls in leg 2 and 4
>
>
>
> 4
>
>
>
> inverted
>
> 7
>
>
>
> Humpty Bump with Roll Options, 2 of 2 Roll up, Full
> Roll down; or 3/4 Roll up and down
>
>
>
> 3
>
>
>
> Upright
>
>
>
> TA
>
>
>
> Stall Turn with two 1/4 Rolls down
>
>
>
> 2
>
>
>
> upright
>
> 8
>
>
>
> Knife Edge Flight with 1 ¼ Roll in and out
>
>
>
> 4
>
>
>
> inverted
>
>
>
> D
>
>
>
> Knife Edge Flight with 1 ¼ Roll in and out
>
>
>
> 4
>
>
>
> upright
>
> 9
>
>
>
> Stall Turn with two 1/4 Rolls opposite up, 1/2 Roll down
>
>
>
> 3
>
>
>
> Upright
>
>
>
> TA
>
>
>
> Stall Turn with two 1/4 Rolls up, 1/2 Roll down
>
>
>
> 3
>
>
>
> upright
>
> 10
>
>
>
> Vertical Cuban 8 with 1/2 Roll, Full Roll
>
>
>
> 4
>
>
>
> Inverted
>
>
>
> U
>
>
>
> Vertical square 8 from bottom, full roll at
> mid-level, 1/2 roll 2nd mid-level
>
>
>
> 4
>
>
>
> inverted
>
> 11
>
>
>
> Trombone with Roll
>
>
>
> 2
>
>
>
> Upright
>
>
>
> TA
>
>
>
> reverse shark, snap on 45
>
>
>
> 4
>
>
>
> upright
>
> 12
>
>
>
> Golf Ball with 3/4 Rolls and Knife Edge Loop
>
>
>
> 4
>
>
>
> Upright
>
>
>
> D
>
>
>
> Golf Ball with 1/4 Rolls and Knife Edge Loop
>
>
>
> 4
>
>
>
> inverted
>
> 13
>
>
>
> Top Hat, 3 of 4 Roll up, 3/4 Roll down
>
>
>
> 2
>
>
>
> Upright
>
>
>
> TA
>
>
>
> Humpty Bump push top, 3/4 Roll up and down
>
>
>
> 2
>
>
>
> upright
>
> 14
>
>
>
> Figure Z with 4 of 8 Roll in 45
>
>
>
> 4
>
>
>
> Inverted
>
>
>
> U
>
>
>
>
>
> 4
>
>
>
> 15
>
>
>
> Inverted 2-turn Spin
>
>
>
> 2
>
>
>
> Upright
>
>
>
> TA
>
>
>
> 1/2 square loop with full roll
>
>
>
> 2
>
>
>
> upright
>
> 16
>
>
>
> Two Slow Rolls opposite, no hesitation
>
>
>
> 4
>
>
>
> Upright
>
>
>
> D
>
>
>
>
>
> 4
>
>
>
> 17
>
>
>
> Stall turn with half rolls up and down
>
>
>
> 2
>
>
>
> Upright
>
>
>
> TA
>
>
>
>
>
> 2
>
>
>
> 18
>
>
>
> Loop with Integrated Roll in top 180
>
>
>
> 5
>
>
>
> Upright
>
>
>
> U
>
>
>
>
>
> 5
>
>
>
> 19
>
>
>
> Landing
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Total K-factor
>
>
>
> 62
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 61
>
>
>
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