[NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: District Vice President Elections

Thu Dec 7 11:31:20 AKST 2017

Write-in candidates are supported by our OneVote! software, as is a
nomination process.

For future we're looking at a way to push electronic ballots to the members
rather than just pointing them at the ballot on the web site.

The bylaws are kept general to ensure that we have the flexibility to
adjust -- bylaw changes require a vote of the entire membership, etc.  So
in *any* association, bylaws are kept intentionally general.

Peter+

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> The bylaws probably need to be made clearer. What do you do if you have
> member who does not use or have access to a computer? In this day and age
> everyone probably does, but you just never know. And is there a way to
> address a write-in candidate if that is allowable?
>
>
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> *From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on
> behalf of Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:45 AM
> *To:* Frackowiak Tony
> *Cc:* NSRCA List
>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: District Vice President Elections
>
>
> Only YOU are saying it is a mistake, Tony.  No one else has raised this
> non-issue in the past.  Again, the BoD determines how the election ballots
> will be distributed and they have the right to do that (as written in the
> bylaws).  If you don’t like it, then get elected and offer a solution.
>
>
>
> *From: *"frackowiak at sbcglobal.net" <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>
> *Date: *Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 10:40 AM
> *To: *Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *NSRCA List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: District Vice President Elections
>
>
>
> Same old, same old. We did it before so it is correct now. If you complain
> now you are wrong, because that is how we did it before. So if you make a
> mistake before, it doesn't have to be corrected now.
>
>
>
> Why not make it easier. Change the bylaws to - We will have elections in
> any manner we please.
>
>
>
> Tony Frackowiak
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>
> On Dec 7, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:
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> Please read the meeting minutes of November 8, 2012.  The bylaws as
> written do not specifically state electronic voting but were written
> generically enough to allow the board to make a decision on how to
> distribute ballots.  So if the board decides to use the website, then
> that’s what will happen.  Since a precedent was set a number of years ago
> (either by Eric Henderson or Lamar Blair), we’ve continued with using
> electronic voting since then.
>
>
>
> c. Ballots are to be distributed to the voting NSRCA members, whenever
> possible, by the end of November of the election year in a manner approved
> by the Board of Directors.
>
>
>
> Why have you not complained about this in past years?  All of a sudden
> this is an issue now?
>
>
>
> *From: *NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on
> behalf of NSRCA List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Reply-To: *"frackowiak at sbcglobal.net" <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>, NSRCA
> List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Date: *Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:40 AM
> *To: *NSRCA List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Subject: *[NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: District Vice President Elections
>
>
>
> I have yet to hear anything about my requests made on the 5th.
>
>
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
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> *From: *Frackowiak Tony <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>
>
> *Date: *December 5, 2017 5:48:21 PM PST
>
> *To: *Joe Walker <vellum2 at bellsouth.net>, General pattern discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> *Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] District Vice President Elections*
>
>
>
> Please forward me the updated bylaws that allow electronic voting. Because
> the ones marked as January 2013 that are on the website now do not even
> mention it. If that is what was desired then that is how it should be
> described in the bylaws. Also, please forward to me the email that was sent
> to "all" members about voting as I never received an email directly from
> the NSRCA. Just through this list which is definitely not to "all" members.
> Also, the bylaws do not allow for "ballots" sent in by membership that were
> not sent to the members first.
>
>
>
> The organization must select it's officers by the method outlined in the
> bylaws. Not by some vague interpretation of the bylaws.
>
>
>
> Tony Frackowiak
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> On Dec 5, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Joe Walker via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
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> Thanks Jon, Jon and Peter for the input.  It's spot on and reflects how we
> are supposed to be functioning as an organization (electronically...
> Especially since most of the discussions happen on this forum, which is an
> electronic format).  The discussion to mail out ballots to members in
> districts with a contested election (D7 in this case) would be an extra
> effort beyond that which is required by the Bylaws.  The current district
> VP's where a vote would occur could certainly reach out to the local
> members and determine if a paper ballot is required and or desired.
> Certainly if there is not a good reason to spend the extra money, let's not
> just waste our resources.
>
>
>
> Tony,
>
> Does this adequately address your concerns?  If not, I don't think it's
> too much to ask to shift the deadline for the vote just a few weeks to
> accommodate snail mail for D7 folks that desire a paper ballot.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Joe Walker
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>
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> On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 2:15 PM, Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>
>
> As a more complete answer, as the NSRCA website is available to *all*
> members, and notification of the ballot being available is e-mailed to
> *all* members that constitutes "distribution" from a legal perspective
> (this has been legally tested by a variety of Homeowners association
> lawsuits in the past decade).  We are required to also accept (at the
> secretary's postal address) a snail-mail letter from a member indicating
> their vote.  The secretary would then validate the member's address and
> that they did not also vote online and count the paper "ballot".
>
>
>
> But as the NSRCA membership as a whole, given the technical nature of our
> hobby, tends to be more technically savvy, electronic voting is the norm
> and I am unaware of anyone taking the paper option since we moved to enable
> electronic balloting.
>
>
>
> Paper ballots to the whole membership would be a huge expense from a
> budget perspective, which is why the bylaws were amended several years back
> to enable a primarily electronic vote.
>
>
>
> It's also *much* easier to audit the results as every member must login to
> vote and we capture the date and time of their vote and ensure only one
> vote is cast per member.
>
>
>
> Peter+
>
>
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> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Jon Bruml via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> Not sure what the hub bub is all about
>
> Go to nsrca and vote!
>
> Done!
>
>
>
> Jonathan Bruml
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> Techstyles Sportswear
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> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion- bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf Of *Jon Lowe via
> NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 05, 2017 11:03 AM
> *To:* nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca. org <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> ; vellum2 at bellsouth.net
> *Cc:* nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca. org <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] District Vice President Elections
>
>
>
> Tony,
>
>
> If this helps, I know that when I was president, the membership voted to
> take out of the bylaws the specific requirement for mailed ballots. The
> bylaws allow for distribution of ballots by a manner ok'd by the BoD. The
> website posting of the election and casting votes electronically was
> considered distribution of the ballots. Subsequent votes were primarily
> done via the website, as I recall.
>
> Jon
>
>
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> On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.
> org <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
>
>
> Thank you for the reply.
>
>
>
> Please explain to me how website voting conforms to the wording of the
> Bylaws? Bylaws says that ballots are to be distributed to the voting NSRCA
> members. It also says in a manner approved by the BOD, but you still must
> distribute ballots. Voting on a website does not do that.
>
>
>
> In my opinion, according to the bylaws, the only valid voting is from
> ballots that have been sent out to the members and returned by them. If I
> am incorrect please explain.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Joe Walker wrote:
>
>
>
> Good morning Tony,
>
> I appreciate your input!  Though the Bylaws do not specify a timeline for
> voting, nor a format for the ballots, we recognize that the spirit of the
> requirement is to be as inclusive as possible.  With that in mind, the BoD
> will also be sending out mailed ballots to those districts that have more
> than one person running for the DVP position.  If the timeline for the
> arrival of those ballots does not give adequate time for response prior to
> the end of the year, we will extend the deadline for receiving ballots to
> allow a full 30 days response time.  So, we are indeed following the bylaws
> with recognition that the suggested time has been shortened, which we are
> making accommodations to correct.
>
>
>
> Now, go cast your vote!
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Joe Walker, NSRCA President
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:59 AM, Frackowiak Tony via
> NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca. org
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>
>
>
> How does this process agree with the NSRCA Bylaws as posted on the NSRCA
> website? Here they are,
>
>
>
> e. Ballots are to be distributed to the voting NSRCA members, whenever
> possible, by the end of November of the election year in a manner approved
> by the Board of Directors.
>
>
>
> Were ballots sent out to those on the districts with a contested election?
> If not, why not?
>
>
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2017, at 6:19 AM, Charlie Barrera via NSRCA-discussi
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> on wrote:
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> Voting is now open for your respective District Vice President
> representative for the term years 2018-2019. Voting closes on December 31,
> 2017, at midnight.  It is open to all current NSRCA members in good
> standing. After logging in, follow the link on the NSRCA web site. Please
> vote Results will be tallied and posted in mid January. Thank you.
>
> …Charlie Barrera, Secretary, NSRCA
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