[NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: District Vice President Elections

Thu Dec 7 11:29:14 AKST 2017

Tony, I see *no* conflicting information from Joe.  We are *quite clear*
and consistent with a decade of past practice: we *distribute* the ballots
electronically via NSRCA.us where any member can vote.  As in the past, if
any member *wishes* to vote by paper, he/she can do so by *mailing* their
vote to the Secretary.  To my knowledge, that mechanism has *never* been
used.

Who, exactly, are you concerned will not be able to vote because of our
distribution mechanism?  I would be happy to ask Charlie to reach out to
him/her and ensure that they are able to vote.

Peter+

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Tony Frackowiak via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> Thank you for that kind comment Ron. It is truly appreciated. I am just
> trying to get a confirmation from the BOD as they, primarily the president,
> have put out conflicting info on this list.
>
> Derek, you do not speak for the BOD, do you? Last time I looked you are
> not listed as a current officer. I am just asking questions and so far not
> getting answers from the BOD. And I am running for office. Can I count on
> your support?
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
> On Dec 7, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Tony - Do you want some cheese with that whine?
>
> RVP
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> Same old, same old. We did it before so it is correct now. If you complain
> now you are wrong, because that is how we did it before. So if you make a
> mistake before, it doesn't have to be corrected now.
>
> Why not make it easier. Change the bylaws to - We will have elections in
> any manner we please.
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:
>
> Please read the meeting minutes of November 8, 2012.  The bylaws as
> written do not specifically state electronic voting but were written
> generically enough to allow the board to make a decision on how to
> distribute ballots.  So if the board decides to use the website, then
> that’s what will happen.  Since a precedent was set a number of years ago
> (either by Eric Henderson or Lamar Blair), we’ve continued with using
> electronic voting since then.
>
> c. Ballots are to be distributed to the voting NSRCA members, whenever
> possible, by the end of November of the election year in a manner approved
> by the Board of Directors.
>
> Why have you not complained about this in past years?  All of a sudden
> this is an issue now?
>
> *From: *NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on
> behalf of NSRCA List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Reply-To: *"frackowiak at sbcglobal.net" <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>, NSRCA
> List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Date: *Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:40 AM
> *To: *NSRCA List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Subject: *[NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: District Vice President Elections
>
> I have yet to hear anything about my requests made on the 5th.
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
> *From: *Frackowiak Tony <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>
> *Date: *December 5, 2017 5:48:21 PM PST
> *To: *Joe Walker <vellum2 at bellsouth.net>, General pattern discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] District Vice President Elections*
>
> Please forward me the updated bylaws that allow electronic voting. Because
> the ones marked as January 2013 that are on the website now do not even
> mention it. If that is what was desired then that is how it should be
> described in the bylaws. Also, please forward to me the email that was sent
> to "all" members about voting as I never received an email directly from
> the NSRCA. Just through this list which is definitely not to "all" members.
> Also, the bylaws do not allow for "ballots" sent in by membership that were
> not sent to the members first.
>
> The organization must select it's officers by the method outlined in the
> bylaws. Not by some vague interpretation of the bylaws.
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Joe Walker via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Jon, Jon and Peter for the input.  It's spot on and reflects how we
> are supposed to be functioning as an organization (electronically...
> Especially since most of the discussions happen on this forum, which is an
> electronic format).  The discussion to mail out ballots to members in
> districts with a contested election (D7 in this case) would be an extra
> effort beyond that which is required by the Bylaws.  The current district
> VP's where a vote would occur could certainly reach out to the local
> members and determine if a paper ballot is required and or desired.
> Certainly if there is not a good reason to spend the extra money, let's not
> just waste our resources.
>
> Tony,
> Does this adequately address your concerns?  If not, I don't think it's
> too much to ask to shift the deadline for the vote just a few weeks to
> accommodate snail mail for D7 folks that desire a paper ballot.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe Walker
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 2:15 PM, Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> As a more complete answer, as the NSRCA website is available to *all*
> members, and notification of the ballot being available is e-mailed to
> *all* members that constitutes "distribution" from a legal perspective
> (this has been legally tested by a variety of Homeowners association
> lawsuits in the past decade).  We are required to also accept (at the
> secretary's postal address) a snail-mail letter from a member indicating
> their vote.  The secretary would then validate the member's address and
> that they did not also vote online and count the paper "ballot".
>
> But as the NSRCA membership as a whole, given the technical nature of our
> hobby, tends to be more technically savvy, electronic voting is the norm
> and I am unaware of anyone taking the paper option since we moved to enable
> electronic balloting.
>
> Paper ballots to the whole membership would be a huge expense from a
> budget perspective, which is why the bylaws were amended several years back
> to enable a primarily electronic vote.
>
> It's also *much* easier to audit the results as every member must login to
> vote and we capture the date and time of their vote and ensure only one
> vote is cast per member.
>
> Peter+
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Jon Bruml via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> Not sure what the hub bub is all about
> Go to nsrca and vote!
> Done!
>
> Jonathan Bruml
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> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion- bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf Of *Jon Lowe via
> NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 05, 2017 11:03 AM
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> ; vellum2 at bellsouth.net
> *Cc:* nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca. org <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] District Vice President Elections
>
> Tony,
>
> If this helps, I know that when I was president, the membership voted to
> take out of the bylaws the specific requirement for mailed ballots. The
> bylaws allow for distribution of ballots by a manner ok'd by the BoD. The
> website posting of the election and casting votes electronically was
> considered distribution of the ballots. Subsequent votes were primarily
> done via the website, as I recall.
> Jon
>
> ------------------------------
> On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.
> org <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
> Joe,
>
> Thank you for the reply.
>
> Please explain to me how website voting conforms to the wording of the
> Bylaws? Bylaws says that ballots are to be distributed to the voting NSRCA
> members. It also says in a manner approved by the BOD, but you still must
> distribute ballots. Voting on a website does not do that.
>
> In my opinion, according to the bylaws, the only valid voting is from
> ballots that have been sent out to the members and returned by them. If I
> am incorrect please explain.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
> On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Joe Walker wrote:
>
>
> Good morning Tony,
> I appreciate your input!  Though the Bylaws do not specify a timeline for
> voting, nor a format for the ballots, we recognize that the spirit of the
> requirement is to be as inclusive as possible.  With that in mind, the BoD
> will also be sending out mailed ballots to those districts that have more
> than one person running for the DVP position.  If the timeline for the
> arrival of those ballots does not give adequate time for response prior to
> the end of the year, we will extend the deadline for receiving ballots to
> allow a full 30 days response time.  So, we are indeed following the bylaws
> with recognition that the suggested time has been shortened, which we are
> making accommodations to correct.
>
> Now, go cast your vote!
>
> Best,
> Joe Walker, NSRCA President
>
> On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:59 AM, Frackowiak Tony via
> NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca. org
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>
> How does this process agree with the NSRCA Bylaws as posted on the NSRCA
> website? Here they are,
>
> e. Ballots are to be distributed to the voting NSRCA members, whenever
> possible, by the end of November of the election year in a manner approved
> by the Board of Directors.
>
> Were ballots sent out to those on the districts with a contested election?
> If not, why not?
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
> On Dec 5, 2017, at 6:19 AM, Charlie Barrera via NSRCA-discussi
> on wrote:
>
>
> Voting is now open for your respective District Vice President
> representative for the term years 2018-2019. Voting closes on December 31,
> 2017, at midnight.  It is open to all current NSRCA members in good
> standing. After logging in, follow the link on the NSRCA web site. Please
> vote Results will be tallied and posted in mid January. Thank you.
>
> …Charlie Barrera, Secretary, NSRCA
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