[NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: District Vice President Elections

Thu Dec 7 11:15:50 AKST 2017

Scott,

Yes, they are both NSRCA members.

They write a check, and they fill out a paper renewal form at the booth in the Toledo show.

Matthew E Finley
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From: Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: 12/7/17 3:09 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: District Vice President Elections

I don't disagree with what Joe is saying.  The By-Laws should be updated now and again.  Remember, these were redone 5+ years ago.  Technology advances at a very quick pace and, therefore, we tried to word it in such a way that allowed for said advancement not knowing what was around the corner.  At the time, we were just coming to the realization of how powerful digital media is and was.  Our website was just beginning to come around, thanks to Derek, and we were just then beginning the digital KFactor which, 5 years later, is now being emailed to each member the day we finish it.  Things change for sure!   I do have an honest question though; If there is a write-in candidate, wouldn't said candidate need to be recognized prior to the closing date of the end of December and then offered up for vote?  A write-in candidate, to have any legitimate chance, would need more than the one write-in vote.  I've never really understood the purpose for a write-in candidate if the rest of the membership didn't know that choice was available.  I'm not saying it shouldn't be offered, merely, it makes very little sense to me.  If said write-in candidate is willing to accept the position, why wouldn't said candidate just run for office like everyone else?

For those not digitally inclined, they typically get the paper KFactor and candidates are listed there. Matt, are those folks members of the NSRCA?  How do they renew their membership?

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On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:

The bylaws probably need to be made clearer. What do you do if you have  member who does not use or have access to a computer? In this day and age everyone probably does, but you just never know. And is there a way to address a write-in candidate if that is allowable?

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Only YOU are saying it is a mistake, Tony.  No one else has raised this non-issue in the past.  Again, the BoD determines how the election ballots will be distributed and they have the right to do that (as written in the bylaws).  If you don’t like it, then get elected and offer a solution.

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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: District Vice President Elections

Same old, same old. We did it before so it is correct now. If you complain now you are wrong, because that is how we did it before. So if you make a mistake before, it doesn't have to be corrected now.

Why not make it easier. Change the bylaws to - We will have elections in any manner we please.

Tony Frackowiak

On Dec 7, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:

Please read the meeting minutes of November 8, 2012.  The bylaws as written do not specifically state electronic voting but were written generically enough to allow the board to make a decision on how to distribute ballots.  So if the board decides to use the website, then that’s what will happen.  Since a precedent was set a number of years ago (either by Eric Henderson or Lamar Blair), we’ve continued with using electronic voting since then.

c. Ballots are to be distributed to the voting NSRCA members, whenever possible, by the end of November of the election year in a manner approved by the Board of Directors.

Why have you not complained about this in past years?  All of a sudden this is an issue now?

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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: District Vice President Elections

I have yet to hear anything about my requests made on the 5th.

Tony Frackowiak

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Date: December 5, 2017 5:48:21 PM PST

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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] District Vice President Elections

Please forward me the updated bylaws that allow electronic voting. Because the ones marked as January 2013 that are on the website now do not even mention it. If that is what was desired then that is how it should be described in the bylaws. Also, please forward to me the email that was sent to "all" members about voting as I never received an email directly from the NSRCA. Just through this list which is definitely not to "all" members. Also, the bylaws do not allow for "ballots" sent in by membership that were not sent to the members first.

The organization must select it's officers by the method outlined in the bylaws. Not by some vague interpretation of the bylaws.

Tony Frackowiak

On Dec 5, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Joe Walker via NSRCA-discussion wrote:

Thanks Jon, Jon and Peter for the input.  It's spot on and reflects how we are supposed to be functioning as an organization (electronically... Especially since most of the discussions happen on this forum, which is an electronic format).  The discussion to mail out ballots to members in districts with a contested election (D7 in this case) would be an extra effort beyond that which is required by the Bylaws.  The current district VP's where a vote would occur could certainly reach out to the local members and determine if a paper ballot is required and or desired.  Certainly if there is not a good reason to spend the extra money, let's not just waste our resources.

Tony,

Does this adequately address your concerns?  If not, I don't think it's too much to ask to shift the deadline for the vote just a few weeks to accommodate snail mail for D7 folks that desire a paper ballot.

Thanks!

Joe Walker

On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 2:15 PM, Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com<mailto:vogel.peter at gmail.com>> wrote:

As a more complete answer, as the NSRCA website is available to *all* members, and notification of the ballot being available is e-mailed to *all* members that constitutes "distribution" from a legal perspective (this has been legally tested by a variety of Homeowners association lawsuits in the past decade).  We are required to also accept (at the secretary's postal address) a snail-mail letter from a member indicating their vote.  The secretary would then validate the member's address and that they did not also vote online and count the paper "ballot".

But as the NSRCA membership as a whole, given the technical nature of our hobby, tends to be more technically savvy, electronic voting is the norm and I am unaware of anyone taking the paper option since we moved to enable electronic balloting.

Paper ballots to the whole membership would be a huge expense from a budget perspective, which is why the bylaws were amended several years back to enable a primarily electronic vote.

It's also *much* easier to audit the results as every member must login to vote and we capture the date and time of their vote and ensure only one vote is cast per member.

Peter+

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Jon Bruml via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:

Not sure what the hub bub is all about

Go to nsrca and vote!

Done!

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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] District Vice President Elections

Tony,

If this helps, I know that when I was president, the membership voted to take out of the bylaws the specific requirement for mailed ballots. The bylaws allow for distribution of ballots by a manner ok'd by the BoD. The website posting of the election and casting votes electronically was considered distribution of the ballots. Subsequent votes were primarily done via the website, as I recall.

Jon

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On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca. org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:

Joe,

Thank you for the reply.

Please explain to me how website voting conforms to the wording of the Bylaws? Bylaws says that ballots are to be distributed to the voting NSRCA members. It also says in a manner approved by the BOD, but you still must distribute ballots. Voting on a website does not do that.

In my opinion, according to the bylaws, the only valid voting is from ballots that have been sent out to the members and returned by them. If I am incorrect please explain.

Thanks!

Tony Frackowiak

On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Joe Walker wrote:

Good morning Tony,

I appreciate your input!  Though the Bylaws do not specify a timeline for voting, nor a format for the ballots, we recognize that the spirit of the requirement is to be as inclusive as possible.  With that in mind, the BoD will also be sending out mailed ballots to those districts that have more than one person running for the DVP position.  If the timeline for the arrival of those ballots does not give adequate time for response prior to the end of the year, we will extend the deadline for receiving ballots to allow a full 30 days response time.  So, we are indeed following the bylaws with recognition that the suggested time has been shortened, which we are making accommodations to correct.

Now, go cast your vote!

Best,

Joe Walker, NSRCA President

On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:59 AM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca. org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:

How does this process agree with the NSRCA Bylaws as posted on the NSRCA website? Here they are,

e. Ballots are to be distributed to the voting NSRCA members, whenever possible, by the end of November of the election year in a manner approved by the Board of Directors.

Were ballots sent out to those on the districts with a contested election? If not, why not?

Tony Frackowiak

On Dec 5, 2017, at 6:19 AM, Charlie Barrera via NSRCA-discussi

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Voting is now open for your respective District Vice President representative for the term years 2018-2019. Voting closes on December 31, 2017, at midnight.  It is open to all current NSRCA members in good standing. After logging in, follow the link on the NSRCA web site. Please vote Results will be tallied and posted in mid January. Thank you.

…Charlie Barrera, Secretary, NSRCA
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