[NSRCA-discussion] Competition

Mon Sep 19 16:52:01 AKDT 2016

We’re Pattern Pilots. We don’t “try” anything! In the words of a Jedi Master: “Do or do not, there is no ‘try’!” J

Seriously I think we’re all trying to promote Pattern. Every time we help someone get an engine running correctly or figure out an electric power system problem at the club field we’re promoting Pattern. When we teach someone to fly we’re promoting Pattern. When one of us DESTROYs the club hot-shot at a Fun-Fly, we’re promoting Pattern. 

The reality is there will probably never be a lot of Pattern Pilots. There’s something wrong with us (I mean that in a “good” way). We know it and they know it. All we can do is let people know who and where we are and encourage the ones who show some interest to join us. I think most of us are already doing that.

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From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion
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And I think it's important to *try stuff* some things will work, others will fail, trying to predict which will or won't work on opinion is crazy. 

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On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 2:13 PM -0700, "Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

The original reason I posted this is because we need to really "do something" to actually get people to recognize us.  DRL got ESPN and, while there is an obvious attraction to this by young and old, they started from something and somewhere.  Do we need ESPN?  While nice, the answer is no.  I wanted to show all of us that this is what is attracting potential pilots and, for that matter, getting the notoriety.  The discussion is usually "why is this happening" instead of what can we do to "Be like Mike" (in this case) and then actually acting on those ideas.  There have been some pretty good ones in this thread.  Maybe it's time we acted.  Let's not leave it up to someone else to do the acting, each one of us can make a difference in our own way and through our own contacts.

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On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

That was going to be my exact point… that there are millions of golfers, all of whom DO keep score and are attempting the same precision as the pro’s.  They may not fully realize the level of skill required, but they have a good idea, and a complete understanding of the objective. 

Sport flyers are not an equal comparison.  They have nothing to measure against, nor are they making any effort to meet any sort of flying standard, so other than landing… there’s nothing familiar about pattern.   There will never be a big audience.    Our target has to be the group of people that want to become better precision pilots (they do exist) and make them aware that Pattern is the way to get there.

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On Sep 19, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

And more importantly a lot of people play it and realize how good those guys (and gals) really are.

Just a quick Google of number of people that played golf in the US per year.  Not sure of the accuracy but between 25 and 29 million.  

That's only about 25 to 29 million more than there are pattern fliers.  Taking rounding errors into account of course :)

Stuart

On 9/19/2016 4:22 PM, John Pavlick via NSRCA-discussion wrote:

That’s because there’s lots of $$$ involved in Pro Golf.

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From: NSRCA-discussion [ <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Vogel, Peter via NSRCA-discussion
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That's an excellent point.  Pro golf is *incredibly* boring to watch, yet it's on TV *a lot*.  

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I like to compare it to pro golf.   Unless you have played you have no idea of the difficulty.

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Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 2:21 PM
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That I would agree with. It's like watching a plane fly a simple loop, vs. watching the same loop with an explanation of downgrades like, wings not level, entry and exit altitude changes, and overall roundness. It's that understanding that increases the respect and interest in said maneuver.

That fact notwithstanding, pattern still is not a big spectator sport. It just takes a special sort of person to appreciate it. Most people have the same response my nephew has... Whatever...

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On Sep 19, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion < <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

>However, in terms of spectator interest, I would say our patterns are analogous to the compulsories in figure skating.

>  I have thought about that before.  Other than the skater falling over, I would have no idea how to judge skating.  Same > for most folks watching us fly.

Having watched televised compulsories back in the 80's, the key is the commentary.  Helping people to understand what they are watching for and to build a mental "relationship" with the competitors so they feel the same highs and lows as the competitor does during the flight.  

That's why I think we need to do a Demo video of a world class competition, with expert commentary and color commentary from someone familiar with (but not necessarily at the world class judging level).  Then market that demo with ESPN, etc. and get it out there virally on YouTube.

At our annual airshow we do a live demo of precision aerobatics with me doing the commentary around the maneuvers to be flown -- it's one of the most popular demos (right next to turbines) and gets great feedback from an audience of over 1000.

Peter+

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Phil via NSRCA-discussion < <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

Not the "Compulsories", Ed...

They do figures that are required, and are judged on a 10-point scale.

However, in terms of spectator interest, I would say our patterns are analogous to the compulsories in figure skating.  I have thought about that before.  Other than the skater falling over, I would have no idea how to judge skating.  Same for most folks watching us fly.

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I was speaking in terms of how exciting it is to watch, not the "performance" itself.  Figure skating is closer to IMAC freestyle.

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