[NSRCA-discussion] Competition

Mon Sep 19 13:14:12 AKDT 2016

The original reason I posted this is because we need to really "do
something" to actually get people to recognize us.  DRL got ESPN and, while
there is an obvious attraction to this by young and old, they started from
something and somewhere.  Do we need ESPN?  While nice, the answer is no.
I wanted to show all of us that this is what is attracting potential pilots
and, for that matter, getting the notoriety.  The discussion is usually
"why is this happening" instead of what can we do to "Be like Mike" (in
this case) and then actually acting on those ideas.  There have been some
pretty good ones in this thread.  Maybe it's time we acted.  Let's not
leave it up to someone else to do the acting, each one of us can make a
difference in our own way and through our own contacts.

*Scott A. McHarg*
VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
Texas A&M University
PPL - ASEL
Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> That was going to be my exact point… that there are millions of golfers,
> all of whom DO keep score and are attempting the same precision as the
> pro’s.  They may not fully realize the level of skill required, but they
> have a good idea, and a complete understanding of the objective.
>
> Sport flyers are not an equal comparison.  They have nothing to measure
> against, nor are they making any effort to meet any sort of flying
> standard, so other than landing… there’s nothing familiar about pattern.
> There will never be a big audience.    Our target has to be the group of
> people that want to become better precision pilots (they do exist) and make
> them aware that Pattern is the way to get there.
>
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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> And more importantly a lot of people play it and realize how good those
> guys (and gals) really are.
> Just a quick Google of number of people that played golf in the US per
> year.  Not sure of the accuracy but between 25 and 29 million.
> That's only about 25 to 29 million more than there are pattern fliers.
> Taking rounding errors into account of course :)
>
> Stuart
>
> On 9/19/2016 4:22 PM, John Pavlick via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>
> That’s because there’s lots of $$$ involved in Pro Golf.
>
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> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf Of *Vogel, Peter
> via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2016 3:54 PM
> *To:* John Fuqua; General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition
>
> That's an excellent point.  Pro golf is *incredibly* boring to watch, yet
> it's on TV *a lot*.
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> I like to compare it to pro golf.   Unless you have played you have no
> idea of the difficulty.
>
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf Of *W Anthony
> Abdullah via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2016 2:21 PM
> *To:* Peter Vogel; General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition
>
> That I would agree with. It's like watching a plane fly a simple loop, vs.
> watching the same loop with an explanation of downgrades like, wings not
> level, entry and exit altitude changes, and overall roundness. It's that
> understanding that increases the respect and interest in said maneuver.
>
> That fact notwithstanding, pattern still is not a big spectator sport. It
> just takes a special sort of person to appreciate it. Most people have the
> same response my nephew has... Whatever...
>
> Sent from my iPad
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>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> >However, in terms of spectator interest, I would say our patterns are
> analogous to the compulsories in figure skating.
> >  I have thought about that before.  Other than the skater falling over,
> I would have no idea how to judge skating.  Same > for most folks watching
> us fly.
>
> Having watched televised compulsories back in the 80's, the key is the
> commentary.  Helping people to understand what they are watching for and to
> build a mental "relationship" with the competitors so they feel the same
> highs and lows as the competitor does during the flight.
>
> That's why I think we need to do a Demo video of a world class
> competition, with expert commentary and color commentary from someone
> familiar with (but not necessarily at the world class judging level).  Then
> market that demo with ESPN, etc. and get it out there virally on YouTube.
>
> At our annual airshow we do a live demo of precision aerobatics with me
> doing the commentary around the maneuvers to be flown -- it's one of the
> most popular demos (right next to turbines) and gets great feedback from an
> audience of over 1000.
>
> Peter+
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Phil via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> Not the "Compulsories", Ed...
>
> They do figures that are required, and are judged on a 10-point scale.
>
> However, in terms of spectator interest, I would say our patterns are
> analogous to the compulsories in figure skating.  I have thought about that
> before.  Other than the skater falling over, I would have no idea how to
> judge skating.  Same for most folks watching us fly.
>
>
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> I was speaking in terms of how exciting it is to watch, not the
> "performance" itself.  Figure skating is closer to IMAC freestyle.
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:28 AM, Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com> wrote:
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