[NSRCA-discussion] 2016 NATs equipment list
Curt Oberg
obergc at cox.net
Fri Nov 11 15:12:06 AKST 2016
LOL, here is a picture taken at Muncie by the roving photog to prove it.
Curt Oberg
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To: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com, nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Nats Equipment List
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Curt Oberg gets the NATS 2016 "equipment list" award - 1974 Proline Tx
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The equipment list is now online? sorry about the delay in getting this
posted.
https://nsrca.us/index.php/nats-2016
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 12S for F3A (Ron Hansen)
2. Re: 12S for F3A (Patternpilot One)
3. Re: 12S for F3A (Keith Hoard)
4. Re: 12S for F3A (cahochhalter)
5. Re: 12S for F3A (Atwood, Mark)
6. Re: 12S for F3A (Randy Forbus)
7. Re: 12S for F3A (Anthony Romano)
8. Re: 12S for F3A (Atwood, Mark)
9. Re: 12S for F3A (Whodaddy Whodaddy)
10. Re: Nats Equipment List (tocdon at netscape.net)
11. Re: 12S for F3A (Mark Hunt)
12. Re: 12S for F3A (Larry Diamond)
13. Re: 12S for F3A (S. McNickle)
14. Re: 12S for F3A (DaveL322)
15. Re: 12S for F3A (Stuart Chale)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 07:45:50 -0500
From: "Ron Hansen" <rcpilot at wowway.com>
To: "'cahochhalter'" <cahochhalter at yahoo.com>, "'General pattern
discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, "'Jeff and Claire'"
<jeffclaire at cableone.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
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I don't understand how this rule change won't affect the AMA classes. Most
planes are designed to satisfy FAI not masters. So all future planes
designed would be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection for
AMA even smaller. This could also result in longer more complicated
sequences. Bad idea unless we are going to make the same change for AMA
classes.
Ron
From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 1:51 PM
To: Jeff and Claire; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Yes, but we need fai to pass it first, then get ama to approve.
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From: Jeff and Claire via NSRCA-discussion
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Date: 11/10/16 12:38 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'Bill Pritchett' <billpritch at yahoo.com>, 'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, 'Andrew Jesky' <andrewjesky at gmail.com>,
'Keith Hoard' <klhoard at outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Looks like there would need to be a rule change to run 12s in an AMA class.
Current rule says "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a
maximum of 42.56 volts..."
Jeff Worsham
From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Bill Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Andrew Jesky; Keith Hoard; General pattern discussion; General pattern
discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I think a source of universal pride among the pattern community is the
positive ripple effect that development of our gear over the years has
provided the entire model aviation community. This discussion is simply
about the continued development of a power system...the evolution of
electric power. I don't think this would have any significant real or
implied effect on any AMA class. On the other hand, those that choose to
try something new no doubt will - that's how it's always worked. How many
folks in AMA classes fly YS-185s? That's a choice available to all of us
right now..... Our 10S setup is great and should/will continue to be the
standard for a long, long time - yet not a reason to stifle development.
Bill
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To: Keith Hoard <klhoard at outlook.com>; General pattern discussion
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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
By changing the KV to spin the same prop at the same rpm as the 10 cell
setup there isn't much that changes in the feel. I have hundreds of flights
on the 12s setup, and the power output is no different as well as the
torque. Heck if anyone wants to try the 12 cell setup and has there model
setup for a Q80xs let me know. I'd be more than happy to let you see what
you think.
Andrew
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On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion
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I think it takes more than 12S to do that, Chuck . . .
-Keith Hoard
-klhoard at outlook.com
. .. [snip].. . . Kv is easily adjusted by changing the wind.
Chuck
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
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Just keep make it harder for people to get into pattern! Human nature is if
xyx pilot is flying a 12s plane then we must fly it also to be competitive.
Why not focus on recruiting people and not push them away.. WHY does
everything have to follow the FAI planes, patterns etc?
Leave the AMA classes alone get the pattern SIG to fix the problem and not
keep adding to it.
Scott
Nsrca 529
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Date: 11/11/16 7:46 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: 'cahochhalter' <cahochhalter at yahoo.com>, 'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, 'Jeff and Claire'
<jeffclaire at cableone.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I don't understand how this rule change won't affect the AMA classes. Most
planes are designed to satisfy FAI not masters. So all future planes
designed would be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection for
AMA even smaller. This could also result in longer more complicated
sequences. Bad idea unless we are going to make the same change for AMA
classes.
Ron
From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 1:51 PM
To: Jeff and Claire; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Yes, but we need fai to pass it first, then get ama to approve.
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From: Jeff and Claire via NSRCA-discussion
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Date: 11/10/16 12:38 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'Bill Pritchett' <billpritch at yahoo.com<mailto:billpritch at yahoo.com>>,
'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>,
'Andrew Jesky' <andrewjesky at gmail.com<mailto:andrewjesky at gmail.com>>, 'Keith
Hoard' <klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Looks like there would need to be a rule change to run 12s in an AMA class.
Current rule says "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a
maximum of 42.56 volts..."
Jeff Worsham
From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Bill Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Andrew Jesky; Keith Hoard; General pattern discussion; General pattern
discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I think a source of universal pride among the pattern community is the
positive ripple effect that development of our gear over the years has
provided the entire model aviation community. This discussion is simply
about the continued development of a power system...the evolution of
electric power. I don't think this would have any significant real or
implied effect on any AMA class. On the other hand, those that choose to
try something new no doubt will - that's how it's always worked. How many
folks in AMA classes fly YS-185s? That's a choice available to all of us
right now..... Our 10S setup is great and should/will continue to be the
standard for a long, long time - yet not a reason to stifle development.
Bill
________________________________
From: Andrew Jesky via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
To: Keith Hoard <klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>>; General
pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
By changing the KV to spin the same prop at the same rpm as the 10 cell
setup there isn't much that changes in the feel. I have hundreds of flights
on the 12s setup, and the power output is no different as well as the
torque. Heck if anyone wants to try the 12 cell setup and has there model
setup for a Q80xs let me know. I'd be more than happy to let you see what
you think.
Andrew
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On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
wrote:
I think it takes more than 12S to do that, Chuck . . .
-Keith Hoard
-klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>
. .. [snip].. . . Kv is easily adjusted by changing the wind.
Chuck
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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 07:34:04 -0600
From: Keith Hoard <klhoard at outlook.com>
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
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We need to have an "FAIxit" vote . . .
-Keith Hoard
-klhoard at outlook.com
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Behalf Of Patternpilot One via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 06:58
To: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>; General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Just keep make it harder for people to get into pattern! Human nature is if
xyx pilot is flying a 12s plane then we must fly it also to be competitive.
Why not focus on recruiting people and not push them away.. WHY does
everything have to follow the FAI planes, patterns etc?
Leave the AMA classes alone get the pattern SIG to fix the problem and not
keep adding to it.
Scott
Nsrca 529
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> >
Date: 11/11/16 7:46 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: 'cahochhalter' <cahochhalter at yahoo.com <mailto:cahochhalter at yahoo.com>
>, 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> >, 'Jeff and Claire'
<jeffclaire at cableone.net <mailto:jeffclaire at cableone.net> >
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I don't understand how this rule change won't affect the AMA classes. Most
planes are designed to satisfy FAI not masters. So all future planes
designed would be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection for
AMA even smaller. This could also result in longer more complicated
sequences. Bad idea unless we are going to make the same change for AMA
classes.
Ron
From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 1:51 PM
To: Jeff and Claire; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Yes, but we need fai to pass it first, then get ama to approve.
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Jeff and Claire via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> >
Date: 11/10/16 12:38 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'Bill Pritchett' <billpritch at yahoo.com <mailto:billpritch at yahoo.com> >,
'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> >, 'Andrew Jesky'
<andrewjesky at gmail.com <mailto:andrewjesky at gmail.com> >, 'Keith Hoard'
<klhoard at outlook.com <mailto:klhoard at outlook.com> >
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Looks like there would need to be a rule change to run 12s in an AMA class.
Current rule says "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a
maximum of 42.56 volts..."
Jeff Worsham
From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Bill Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Andrew Jesky; Keith Hoard; General pattern discussion; General pattern
discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I think a source of universal pride among the pattern community is the
positive ripple effect that development of our gear over the years has
provided the entire model aviation community. This discussion is simply
about the continued development of a power system...the evolution of
electric power. I don't think this would have any significant real or
implied effect on any AMA class. On the other hand, those that choose to
try something new no doubt will - that's how it's always worked. How many
folks in AMA classes fly YS-185s? That's a choice available to all of us
right now..... Our 10S setup is great and should/will continue to be the
standard for a long, long time - yet not a reason to stifle development.
Bill
_____
From: Andrew Jesky via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> >
To: Keith Hoard <klhoard at outlook.com <mailto:klhoard at outlook.com> >; General
pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> >
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
By changing the KV to spin the same prop at the same rpm as the 10 cell
setup there isn't much that changes in the feel. I have hundreds of flights
on the 12s setup, and the power output is no different as well as the
torque. Heck if anyone wants to try the 12 cell setup and has there model
setup for a Q80xs let me know. I'd be more than happy to let you see what
you think.
Andrew
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> wrote:
I think it takes more than 12S to do that, Chuck . . .
-Keith Hoard
-klhoard at outlook.com <mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>
. .. [snip].. . . Kv is easily adjusted by changing the wind.
Chuck
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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 07:38:50 -0600
From: cahochhalter <cahochhalter at yahoo.com>
To: Patternpilot One <patternpilot1 at hotmail.com>, General pattern
discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
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How does developing a better power system that is less harmful to equipment
and easier on batts not better.
This opens another option.?
Has anyone researched the actual cost of 12s system other than the few of us
who have considered and tested and suggested it?
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From: Patternpilot One via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: 11/11/16 6:58 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>, General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Just keep make it harder for people to get into pattern! Human nature is if
xyx pilot is flying a 12s plane then we must fly it also to be competitive.
?Why not focus on recruiting people and not push them away.. WHY does
everything have to follow the
FAI planes, patterns etc?
Leave the AMA classes alone get the pattern SIG to fix the problem and not
keep adding to it.
Scott
Nsrca 529
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: 11/11/16 7:46 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: 'cahochhalter' <cahochhalter at yahoo.com>, 'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, 'Jeff and Claire'
<jeffclaire at cableone.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I don?t understand how this rule change won?t affect the AMA classes. ?Most
planes are designed to satisfy FAI not masters.? So all future planes
designed
would be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection for AMA even
smaller. ?This could also result in longer more complicated sequences.? Bad
idea unless we are going to make the same change for AMA classes.?
?
Ron
?
From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 1:51 PM
To: Jeff and Claire; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
?
Yes, but we need fai to pass it first, then get ama to approve.
?
?
?
?
?
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From: Jeff and Claire via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: 11/10/16 12:38 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'Bill Pritchett' <billpritch at yahoo.com>, 'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, 'Andrew Jesky' <andrewjesky at gmail.com>,
'Keith Hoard' <klhoard at outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Looks like there would need to be a rule change to run 12s in an AMA class.?
Current rule says "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a
maximum of
42.56 volts..."
Jeff Worsham
?
?
From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Bill Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Andrew Jesky; Keith Hoard; General pattern discussion; General pattern
discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
?
I think a source of universal pride among the pattern community is the
positive ripple effect that development of our gear over the years
has?provided the entire model
aviation community.??This discussion is simply about the continued
development of a power system...the evolution of electric power.? I don't
think this would have any significant real or implied effect on any AMA
class.? On the other hand, those that choose
to?try something new?no doubt will - that's how it's always worked.? How
many folks in?AMA classes fly YS-185s?? That's a choice available to all of
us right now.....? Our 10S setup is great and should/will continue to be the
standard for a long, long time
- yet not a reason to stifle development.
Bill
From: Andrew Jesky via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
To: Keith Hoard <klhoard at outlook.com>; General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
?
By changing the KV to spin the same prop at the same rpm as the 10 cell
setup there isn't much that changes in the feel. I have hundreds
of flights on the 12s setup, and the power output is no different as well
as the torque. Heck if anyone wants to try the 12 cell setup and has there
model setup for a Q80xs let me know. I'd be more than happy to let you see
what you think.?
?
Andrew?
?
?
?
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
I think it takes more than 12S to do that, Chuck . . .
?
-Keith Hoard
-klhoard at outlook.com
?
. .. [snip].. . . Kv is easily adjusted
by changing the wind.
?
Chuck
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From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
To: Keith Hoard <klhoard at outlook.com>, General pattern discussion
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
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What?s interesting is that aside from the 12S proposal, most of our rule
change requests to FAI have been an attempt to introduce AMA rules into FAI.
1/2 points are finally being observed and yes? i think we?ll be getting rid
of the silly rounding rule that?s currently in place in FAI (they need time
to adjust apparently).
Please keep in mind that FAI is simply the rest of the worlds AMA when it
comes to pattern. Most countries don?t have another governing body when it
comes to competition. They move slowly in making any changes for the same
reasons that we resist the urge to make radical rule changes in AMA classes.
They have the same goals of increasing participation, keep costs down, etc.
all the time reconciling that with providing a progressive and current
competitive framework. It?s not an easy balance.
AND? we only have ONE vote.
MARK ATWOOD
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On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
wrote:
We need to have an ?FAIxit? vote . . .
-Keith Hoard
-klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>
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Behalf Of Patternpilot One via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 06:58
To: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com<mailto:rcpilot at wowway.com>>; General
pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Just keep make it harder for people to get into pattern! Human nature is if
xyx pilot is flying a 12s plane then we must fly it also to be competitive.
Why not focus on recruiting people and not push them away.. WHY does
everything have to follow the FAI planes, patterns etc?
Leave the AMA classes alone get the pattern SIG to fix the problem and not
keep adding to it.
Scott
Nsrca 529
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From: Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Date: 11/11/16 7:46 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: 'cahochhalter' <cahochhalter at yahoo.com<mailto:cahochhalter at yahoo.com>>,
'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>,
'Jeff and Claire' <jeffclaire at cableone.net<mailto:jeffclaire at cableone.net>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I don?t understand how this rule change won?t affect the AMA classes. Most
planes are designed to satisfy FAI not masters. So all future planes
designed would be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection for
AMA even smaller. This could also result in longer more complicated
sequences. Bad idea unless we are going to make the same change for AMA
classes.
Ron
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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 1:51 PM
To: Jeff and Claire; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Yes, but we need fai to pass it first, then get ama to approve.
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Date: 11/10/16 12:38 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'Bill Pritchett' <billpritch at yahoo.com<mailto:billpritch at yahoo.com>>,
'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>,
'Andrew Jesky' <andrewjesky at gmail.com<mailto:andrewjesky at gmail.com>>, 'Keith
Hoard' <klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Looks like there would need to be a rule change to run 12s in an AMA class.
Current rule says "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a
maximum of 42.56 volts..."
Jeff Worsham
From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Bill Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Andrew Jesky; Keith Hoard; General pattern discussion; General pattern
discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I think a source of universal pride among the pattern community is the
positive ripple effect that development of our gear over the years has
provided the entire model aviation community. This discussion is simply
about the continued development of a power system...the evolution of
electric power. I don't think this would have any significant real or
implied effect on any AMA class. On the other hand, those that choose to
try something new no doubt will - that's how it's always worked. How many
folks in AMA classes fly YS-185s? That's a choice available to all of us
right now..... Our 10S setup is great and should/will continue to be the
standard for a long, long time - yet not a reason to stifle development.
Bill
________________________________
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To: Keith Hoard <klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>>; General
pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
By changing the KV to spin the same prop at the same rpm as the 10 cell
setup there isn't much that changes in the feel. I have hundreds of flights
on the 12s setup, and the power output is no different as well as the
torque. Heck if anyone wants to try the 12 cell setup and has there model
setup for a Q80xs let me know. I'd be more than happy to let you see what
you think.
Andrew
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
wrote:
I think it takes more than 12S to do that, Chuck . . .
-Keith Hoard
-klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>
. .. [snip].. . . Kv is easily adjusted by changing the wind.
Chuck
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From: Randy Forbus <Rforbus at hotmail.com>
To: Keith Hoard <klhoard at outlook.com>, General pattern discussion
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
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I thought the election was over.
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of Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 1:34 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
We need to have an ?FAIxit? vote . . .
-Keith Hoard
-klhoard at outlook.com
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Behalf Of Patternpilot One via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 06:58
To: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>; General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Just keep make it harder for people to get into pattern! Human nature is if
xyx pilot is flying a 12s plane then we must fly it also to be competitive.
Why not focus on recruiting people and not push them away.. WHY does
everything have to follow the FAI planes, patterns etc?
Leave the AMA classes alone get the pattern SIG to fix the problem and not
keep adding to it.
Scott
Nsrca 529
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Date: 11/11/16 7:46 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: 'cahochhalter' <cahochhalter at yahoo.com<mailto:cahochhalter at yahoo.com>>,
'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>,
'Jeff and Claire' <jeffclaire at cableone.net<mailto:jeffclaire at cableone.net>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I don?t understand how this rule change won?t affect the AMA classes. Most
planes are designed to satisfy FAI not masters. So all future planes
designed would be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection for
AMA even smaller. This could also result in longer more complicated
sequences. Bad idea unless we are going to make the same change for AMA
classes.
Ron
From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 1:51 PM
To: Jeff and Claire; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Yes, but we need fai to pass it first, then get ama to approve.
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From: Jeff and Claire via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Date: 11/10/16 12:38 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'Bill Pritchett' <billpritch at yahoo.com<mailto:billpritch at yahoo.com>>,
'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>,
'Andrew Jesky' <andrewjesky at gmail.com<mailto:andrewjesky at gmail.com>>, 'Keith
Hoard' <klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Looks like there would need to be a rule change to run 12s in an AMA class.
Current rule says "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a
maximum of 42.56 volts..."
Jeff Worsham
From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Bill Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Andrew Jesky; Keith Hoard; General pattern discussion; General pattern
discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I think a source of universal pride among the pattern community is the
positive ripple effect that development of our gear over the years has
provided the entire model aviation community. This discussion is simply
about the continued development of a power system...the evolution of
electric power. I don't think this would have any significant real or
implied effect on any AMA class. On the other hand, those that choose to
try something new no doubt will - that's how it's always worked. How many
folks in AMA classes fly YS-185s? That's a choice available to all of us
right now..... Our 10S setup is great and should/will continue to be the
standard for a long, long time - yet not a reason to stifle development.
Bill
________________________________
From: Andrew Jesky via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
To: Keith Hoard <klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>>; General
pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
By changing the KV to spin the same prop at the same rpm as the 10 cell
setup there isn't much that changes in the feel. I have hundreds of flights
on the 12s setup, and the power output is no different as well as the
torque. Heck if anyone wants to try the 12 cell setup and has there model
setup for a Q80xs let me know. I'd be more than happy to let you see what
you think.
Andrew
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
wrote:
I think it takes more than 12S to do that, Chuck . . .
-Keith Hoard
-klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>
. .. [snip].. . . Kv is easily adjusted by changing the wind.
Chuck
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From: Anthony Romano <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>
To: cahochhalter <cahochhalter at yahoo.com>, General pattern discussion
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
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That was the same logic behind dropping the displacement rule. To open to
alternatives and so the YS didn't have to be stressed so much. The $450 1.20
AC has grown to the $800 1.85.
Anthony
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Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 8:38 AM
To: Patternpilot One; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
How does developing a better power system that is less harmful to equipment
and easier on batts not better.
This opens another option.
Has anyone researched the actual cost of 12s system other than the few of us
who have considered and tested and suggested it?
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Date: 11/11/16 6:58 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>, General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Just keep make it harder for people to get into pattern! Human nature is if
xyx pilot is flying a 12s plane then we must fly it also to be competitive.
Why not focus on recruiting people and not push them away.. WHY does
everything have to follow the FAI planes, patterns etc?
Leave the AMA classes alone get the pattern SIG to fix the problem and not
keep adding to it.
Scott
Nsrca 529
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
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From: Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: 11/11/16 7:46 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: 'cahochhalter' <cahochhalter at yahoo.com>, 'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, 'Jeff and Claire'
<jeffclaire at cableone.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I don?t understand how this rule change won?t affect the AMA classes. Most
planes are designed to satisfy FAI not masters. So all future planes
designed would be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection for
AMA even smaller. This could also result in longer more complicated
sequences. Bad idea unless we are going to make the same change for AMA
classes.
Ron
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Behalf Of cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 1:51 PM
To: Jeff and Claire; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Yes, but we need fai to pass it first, then get ama to approve.
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Date: 11/10/16 12:38 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'Bill Pritchett' <billpritch at yahoo.com<mailto:billpritch at yahoo.com>>,
'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>,
'Andrew Jesky' <andrewjesky at gmail.com<mailto:andrewjesky at gmail.com>>, 'Keith
Hoard' <klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Looks like there would need to be a rule change to run 12s in an AMA class.
Current rule says "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a
maximum of 42.56 volts..."
Jeff Worsham
From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Bill Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Andrew Jesky; Keith Hoard; General pattern discussion; General pattern
discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I think a source of universal pride among the pattern community is the
positive ripple effect that development of our gear over the years has
provided the entire model aviation community. This discussion is simply
about the continued development of a power system...the evolution of
electric power. I don't think this would have any significant real or
implied effect on any AMA class. On the other hand, those that choose to
try something new no doubt will - that's how it's always worked. How many
folks in AMA classes fly YS-185s? That's a choice available to all of us
right now..... Our 10S setup is great and should/will continue to be the
standard for a long, long time - yet not a reason to stifle development.
Bill
________________________________
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<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
To: Keith Hoard <klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>>; General
pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
By changing the KV to spin the same prop at the same rpm as the 10 cell
setup there isn't much that changes in the feel. I have hundreds of flights
on the 12s setup, and the power output is no different as well as the
torque. Heck if anyone wants to try the 12 cell setup and has there model
setup for a Q80xs let me know. I'd be more than happy to let you see what
you think.
Andrew
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
wrote:
I think it takes more than 12S to do that, Chuck . . .
-Keith Hoard
-klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>
. .. [snip].. . . Kv is easily adjusted by changing the wind.
Chuck
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From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
To: Anthony Romano <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>, General pattern
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Anthony, You?re correct in both the flawed logic (outcome anyway) and
progression of the engines. But this does have some differences. Shifting
to 12S only changes the windings on the motor. Same motor, same tooling,
same mounting, basically the SAME motor, just wired for lower Kv.
But I hear you?
MARK ATWOOD
o. (440) 229-2502
c. (216) 316-2489
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On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Anthony Romano via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
wrote:
That was the same logic behind dropping the displacement rule. To open to
alternatives and so the YS didn't have to be stressed so much. The $450 1.20
AC has grown to the $800 1.85.
Anthony
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sts.nsrca.org>> on behalf of cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion
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Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 8:38 AM
To: Patternpilot One; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
How does developing a better power system that is less harmful to equipment
and easier on batts not better.
This opens another option.
Has anyone researched the actual cost of 12s system other than the few of us
who have considered and tested and suggested it?
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Date: 11/11/16 6:58 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com<mailto:rcpilot at wowway.com>>, General
pattern discussion
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Just keep make it harder for people to get into pattern! Human nature is if
xyx pilot is flying a 12s plane then we must fly it also to be competitive.
Why not focus on recruiting people and not push them away.. WHY does
everything have to follow the FAI planes, patterns etc?
Leave the AMA classes alone get the pattern SIG to fix the problem and not
keep adding to it.
Scott
Nsrca 529
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Date: 11/11/16 7:46 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: 'cahochhalter' <cahochhalter at yahoo.com<mailto:cahochhalter at yahoo.com>>,
'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>,
'Jeff and Claire' <jeffclaire at cableone.net<mailto:jeffclaire at cableone.net>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I don?t understand how this rule change won?t affect the AMA classes. Most
planes are designed to satisfy FAI not masters. So all future planes
designed would be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection for
AMA even smaller. This could also result in longer more complicated
sequences. Bad idea unless we are going to make the same change for AMA
classes.
Ron
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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 1:51 PM
To: Jeff and Claire; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Yes, but we need fai to pass it first, then get ama to approve.
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Date: 11/10/16 12:38 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'Bill Pritchett' <billpritch at yahoo.com<mailto:billpritch at yahoo.com>>,
'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>,
'Andrew Jesky' <andrewjesky at gmail.com<mailto:andrewjesky at gmail.com>>, 'Keith
Hoard' <klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Looks like there would need to be a rule change to run 12s in an AMA class.
Current rule says "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a
maximum of 42.56 volts..."
Jeff Worsham
From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Bill Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Andrew Jesky; Keith Hoard; General pattern discussion; General pattern
discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I think a source of universal pride among the pattern community is the
positive ripple effect that development of our gear over the years has
provided the entire model aviation community. This discussion is simply
about the continued development of a power system...the evolution of
electric power. I don't think this would have any significant real or
implied effect on any AMA class. On the other hand, those that choose to
try something new no doubt will - that's how it's always worked. How many
folks in AMA classes fly YS-185s? That's a choice available to all of us
right now..... Our 10S setup is great and should/will continue to be the
standard for a long, long time - yet not a reason to stifle development.
Bill
________________________________
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To: Keith Hoard <klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>>; General
pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
By changing the KV to spin the same prop at the same rpm as the 10 cell
setup there isn't much that changes in the feel. I have hundreds of flights
on the 12s setup, and the power output is no different as well as the
torque. Heck if anyone wants to try the 12 cell setup and has there model
setup for a Q80xs let me know. I'd be more than happy to let you see what
you think.
Andrew
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On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
wrote:
I think it takes more than 12S to do that, Chuck . . .
-Keith Hoard
-klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>
. .. [snip].. . . Kv is easily adjusted by changing the wind.
Chuck
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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 08:22:52 -0600
From: Whodaddy Whodaddy <whodaddy10 at gmail.com>
To: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>, General pattern
discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
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Very true mark
G
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 11, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> What?s interesting is that aside from the 12S proposal, most of our rule
change requests to FAI have been an attempt to introduce AMA rules into FAI.
1/2 points are finally being observed and yes? i think we?ll be getting rid
of the silly rounding rule that?s currently in place in FAI (they need time
to adjust apparently).
>
> Please keep in mind that FAI is simply the rest of the worlds AMA when it
comes to pattern. Most countries don?t have another governing body when it
comes to competition. They move slowly in making any changes for the same
reasons that we resist the urge to make radical rule changes in AMA classes.
They have the same goals of increasing participation, keep costs down, etc.
all the time reconciling that with providing a progressive and current
competitive framework. It?s not an easy balance.
>
> AND? we only have ONE vote.
>
>
> MARK ATWOOD
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> On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> We need to have an ?FAIxit? vote . . .
>
> -Keith Hoard
> -klhoard at outlook.com
>
> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Patternpilot One via NSRCA-discussion
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 06:58
> To: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>; General pattern discussion
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
>
> Just keep make it harder for people to get into pattern! Human nature is
if xyx pilot is flying a 12s plane then we must fly it also to be
competitive. Why not focus on recruiting people and not push them away..
WHY does everything have to follow the FAI planes, patterns etc?
> Leave the AMA classes alone get the pattern SIG to fix the problem and not
keep adding to it.
>
> Scott
> Nsrca 529
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: 11/11/16 7:46 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: 'cahochhalter' <cahochhalter at yahoo.com>, 'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, 'Jeff and Claire'
<jeffclaire at cableone.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
>
> I don?t understand how this rule change won?t affect the AMA classes.
Most planes are designed to satisfy FAI not masters. So all future planes
designed would be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection for
AMA even smaller. This could also result in longer more complicated
sequences. Bad idea unless we are going to make the same change for AMA
classes.
>
> Ron
>
> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 1:51 PM
> To: Jeff and Claire; General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
>
> Yes, but we need fai to pass it first, then get ama to approve.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jeff and Claire via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: 11/10/16 12:38 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: 'Bill Pritchett' <billpritch at yahoo.com>, 'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, 'Andrew Jesky' <andrewjesky at gmail.com>,
'Keith Hoard' <klhoard at outlook.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
>
> Looks like there would need to be a rule change to run 12s in an AMA
class. Current rule says "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited
to a maximum of 42.56 volts..."
> Jeff Worsham
>
>
> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Bill Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:01 AM
> To: Andrew Jesky; Keith Hoard; General pattern discussion; General pattern
discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
>
> I think a source of universal pride among the pattern community is the
positive ripple effect that development of our gear over the years has
provided the entire model aviation community. This discussion is simply
about the continued development of a power system...the evolution of
electric power. I don't think this would have any significant real or
implied effect on any AMA class. On the other hand, those that choose to
try something new no doubt will - that's how it's always worked. How many
folks in AMA classes fly YS-185s? That's a choice available to all of us
right now..... Our 10S setup is great and should/will continue to be the
standard for a long, long time - yet not a reason to stifle development.
> Bill
> From: Andrew Jesky via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: Keith Hoard <klhoard at outlook.com>; General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
>
> By changing the KV to spin the same prop at the same rpm as the 10 cell
setup there isn't much that changes in the feel. I have hundreds of flights
on the 12s setup, and the power output is no different as well as the
torque. Heck if anyone wants to try the 12 cell setup and has there model
setup for a Q80xs let me know. I'd be more than happy to let you see what
you think.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> I think it takes more than 12S to do that, Chuck . . .
>
> -Keith Hoard
> -klhoard at outlook.com
>
> . .. [snip].. . . Kv is easily adjusted by changing the wind.
>
> Chuck
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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 10:36:39 -0500
From: tocdon at netscape.net
To: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com, nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Nats Equipment List
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Curt Oberg gets the NATS 2016 "equipment list" award - 1974 Proline Tx
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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Nats Equipment List
The equipment list is now online? sorry about the delay in getting this
posted.
https://nsrca.us/index.php/nats-2016
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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 10:51:46 -0600
From: Mark Hunt <flyintexanmark at gmail.com>
To: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>, General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
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I'm not understanding what significant design changes would be required to
the airframe to take advantage of this change?
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> I don?t understand how this rule change won?t affect the AMA classes.
> Most planes are designed to satisfy FAI not masters. So all future planes
> designed would be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection
for
> AMA even smaller. This could also result in longer more complicated
> sequences. Bad idea unless we are going to make the same change for AMA
> classes.
>
>
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> *On Behalf Of *cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2016 1:51 PM
> *To:* Jeff and Claire; General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
>
>
>
> Yes, but we need fai to pass it first, then get ama to approve.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jeff and Claire via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.
> org>
> Date: 11/10/16 12:38 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: 'Bill Pritchett' <billpritch at yahoo.com>, 'General pattern discussion'
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, 'Andrew Jesky'
<andrewjesky at gmail.com>,
> 'Keith Hoard' <klhoard at outlook.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
>
> Looks like there would need to be a rule change to run 12s in an AMA
> class. Current rule says "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited
> to a maximum of 42.56 volts..."
>
> Jeff Worsham
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf Of *Bill Pritchett
> via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:01 AM
> *To:* Andrew Jesky; Keith Hoard; General pattern discussion; General
> pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
>
>
>
> I think a source of universal pride among the pattern community is the
> positive ripple effect that development of our gear over the years
> has provided the entire model aviation community. This discussion is
> simply about the continued development of a power system...the evolution
of
> electric power. I don't think this would have any significant real or
> implied effect on any AMA class. On the other hand, those that choose
> to try something new no doubt will - that's how it's always worked. How
> many folks in AMA classes fly YS-185s? That's a choice available to all
of
> us right now..... Our 10S setup is great and should/will continue to be
> the standard for a long, long time - yet not a reason to stifle
development.
>
> Bill
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Andrew Jesky via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.
> org>
> *To:* Keith Hoard <klhoard at outlook.com>; General pattern discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:10 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
>
>
>
> By changing the KV to spin the same prop at the same rpm as the 10 cell
> setup there isn't much that changes in the feel. I have hundreds of
flights
> on the 12s setup, and the power output is no different as well as the
> torque. Heck if anyone wants to try the 12 cell setup and has there model
> setup for a Q80xs let me know. I'd be more than happy to let you see what
> you think.
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> I think it takes more than 12S to do that, Chuck . . .
>
>
>
> -Keith Hoard
>
> -klhoard at outlook.com
>
>
>
> *. .. [snip].. . .* Kv is easily adjusted by changing the wind.
>
>
>
> Chuck
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 11:17:45 -0600
From: Larry Diamond <ldiamond at diamondrc.com>
To: Mark Hunt <flyintexanmark at gmail.com>, General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>
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I don't think the issue is about what's required. I read it as the
exploitation of a 12s rule that will result in design changes and drive cost
higher as the hunt continues to gain a competitive advantage .?
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S? 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Mark Hunt via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Date: 11/11/16 10:51 AM (GMT-06:00) To:
Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>, General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for
F3A
I'm not understanding what significant design changes would be required to
the airframe to take advantage of this change?
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
I don?t understand how this rule change won?t affect the AMA classes.? Most
planes are designed to satisfy FAI not masters.? So all future planes
designed would be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection for
AMA even smaller.? This could also result in longer more complicated
sequences.? Bad idea unless we are going to make the same change for AMA
classes.? ?Ron?From: NSRCA-discussion
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of cahochhalter
via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 1:51 PM
To: Jeff and Claire; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A?Yes, but we need fai to pass it
first, then get ama to approve.?????Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy
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Date: 11/10/16 12:38 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'Bill Pritchett' <billpritch at yahoo.com>, 'General pattern discussion'
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'Keith Hoard' <klhoard at outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A Looks like there would need to
be a rule change to run 12s in an AMA class.? Current rule says
"Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a maximum of 42.56
volts..."Jeff Worsham??From: NSRCA-discussion
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bill
Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Andrew Jesky; Keith Hoard; General pattern discussion; General pattern
discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A?I think a source of universal
pride among the pattern community is the positive ripple effect that
development of our gear over the years has?provided the entire model
aviation community.??This discussion is simply about the continued
development of a power system...the evolution of electric power.? I don't
think this would have any significant real or implied effect on any AMA
class.? On the other hand, those that choose to?try something new?no doubt
will - that's how it's always worked.? How many folks in?AMA classes fly
YS-185s?? That's a choice available to all of us right now.....? Our 10S
setup is great and should/will continue to be the standard for a long, long
time - yet not a reason to stifle development.BillFrom: Andrew Jesky via
NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
To: Keith Hoard <klhoard at outlook.com>; General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A?By changing the KV to spin the
same prop at the same rpm as the 10 cell setup there isn't much that changes
in the feel. I have hundreds of flights on the 12s setup, and the power
output is no different as well as the torque. Heck if anyone wants to try
the 12 cell setup and has there model setup for a Q80xs let me know. I'd be
more than happy to let you see what you think.??Andrew????Sent from my
iPhone
On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:I think it takes more than 12S to
do that, Chuck . . .?-Keith Hoard-klhoard at outlook.com?. .. [snip].. . . Kv
is easily adjusted by changing the
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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 18:13:23 +0000 (UTC)
From: "S. McNickle" <nelson_jett at comcast.net>
To: Larry Diamond <ldiamond at diamondrc.com>, General pattern
discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Cc: "Hansen, Ron" <rcpilot at wowway.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here, but rather than going easy on a
12s setup, won't we just find a way to run the crap out of it (bigger props,
for example) to power bigger, more expensive airplanes if that gives a
competitive advantage?
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
To: "Mark Hunt" <flyintexanmark at gmail.com>, "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, "Ron Hansen" <rcpilot at wowway.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 12:17:45 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I don't think the issue is about what's required. I read it as the
exploitation of a 12s rule that will result in design changes and drive cost
higher as the hunt continues to gain a competitive advantage .
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S? 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Mark Hunt via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: 11/11/16 10:51 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>, General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I'm not understanding what significant design changes would be required to
the airframe to take advantage of this change?
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > wrote:
I don?t understand how this rule change won?t affect the AMA classes. Most
planes are designed to satisfy FAI not masters. So all future planes
designed would be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection for
AMA even smaller. This could also result in longer more complicated
sequences. Bad idea unless we are going to make the same change for AMA
classes.
Ron
From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org ]
On Behalf Of cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 1:51 PM
To: Jeff and Claire; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Yes, but we need fai to pass it first, then get ama to approve.
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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From: Jeff and Claire via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >
Date: 11/10/16 12:38 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'Bill Pritchett' < billpritch at yahoo.com >, 'General pattern discussion'
< nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >, 'Andrew Jesky' < andrewjesky at gmail.com
>, 'Keith Hoard' < klhoard at outlook.com >
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Looks like there would need to be a rule change to run 12s in an AMA class.
Current rule says "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a
maximum of 42.56 volts..."
Jeff Worsham
From: NSRCA-discussion [ mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org ]
On Behalf Of Bill Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Andrew Jesky; Keith Hoard; General pattern discussion; General pattern
discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I think a source of universal pride among the pattern community is the
positive ripple effect that development of our gear over the years has
provided the entire model aviation community. This discussion is simply
about the continued development of a power system...the evolution of
electric power. I don't think this would have any significant real or
implied effect on any AMA class. On the other hand, those that choose to try
something new no doubt will - that's how it's always worked. How many folks
in AMA classes fly YS-185s? That's a choice available to all of us right
now..... Our 10S setup is great and should/will continue to be the standard
for a long, long time - yet not a reason to stifle development.
Bill
From: Andrew Jesky via NSRCA-discussion < nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >
To: Keith Hoard < klhoard at outlook.com >; General pattern discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
By changing the KV to spin the same prop at the same rpm as the 10 cell
setup there isn't much that changes in the feel. I have hundreds of flights
on the 12s setup, and the power output is no different as well as the
torque. Heck if anyone wants to try the 12 cell setup and has there model
setup for a Q80xs let me know. I'd be more than happy to let you see what
you think.
Andrew
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > wrote:
I think it takes more than 12S to do that, Chuck . . .
-Keith Hoard
- klhoard at outlook.com
. .. [snip].. . . Kv is easily adjusted by changing the wind.
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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 13:25:04 -0500
From: DaveL322 <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
To: "S. McNickle" <nelson_jett at comcast.net>, General pattern
discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, Larry Diamond
<ldiamond at diamondrc.com>
Cc: "Hansen, Ron" <rcpilot at wowway.com>
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100% correct.
I previously made a lengthy post to the F3A mailing list and will repost to
this list when I am home after the weekend (f3p contest).
Regards,
Dave
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-------- Original message --------From: "S. McNickle via NSRCA-discussion"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Date: 11/11/16 1:13 PM (GMT-05:00) To:
Larry Diamond <ldiamond at diamondrc.com>, General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Cc: "Hansen, Ron" <rcpilot at wowway.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here, but rather than going easy on a
12s setup, won't we just find a way to run the crap out of it (bigger props,
for example) to power bigger, more expensive airplanes if that gives a
competitive advantage?Scott
From: "Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
To: "Mark Hunt" <flyintexanmark at gmail.com>, "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, "Ron Hansen" <rcpilot at wowway.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 12:17:45 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I don't think the issue is about what's required. I read it as the
exploitation of a 12s rule that will result in design changes and drive cost
higher as the hunt continues to gain a competitive advantage .?
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S? 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Mark Hunt via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>Date: 11/11/16 10:51 AM (GMT-06:00)To: Ron
Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>, General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for
F3A
I'm not understanding what significant design changes would be required to
the airframe to take advantage of this change?
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
I don?t understand how this rule change won?t affect the AMA classes.? Most
planes are designed to satisfy FAI not masters.? So all future planes
designed would be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection for
AMA even smaller.? This could also result in longer more complicated
sequences.? Bad idea unless we are going to make the same change for AMA
classes.? ?Ron?From: NSRCA-discussion
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of cahochhalter
via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 1:51 PM
To: Jeff and Claire; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A?Yes, but we need fai to pass it
first, then get ama to approve.?????Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy
smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Jeff and Claire via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: 11/10/16 12:38 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'Bill Pritchett' <billpritch at yahoo.com>, 'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, 'Andrew Jesky' <andrewjesky at gmail.com>,
'Keith Hoard' <klhoard at outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A Looks like there would need to
be a rule change to run 12s in an AMA class.? Current rule says
"Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a maximum of 42.56
volts..."Jeff Worsham??From: NSRCA-discussion
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bill
Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Andrew Jesky; Keith Hoard; General pattern discussion; General pattern
discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A?I think a source of universal
pride among the pattern community is the positive ripple effect that
development of our gear over the years has?provided the entire model
aviation community.??This discussion is simply about the continued
development of a power system...the evolution of electric power.? I don't
think this would have any significant real or implied effect on any AMA
class.? On the other hand, those that choose to?try something new?no doubt
will - that's how it's always worked.? How many folks in?AMA classes fly
YS-185s?? That's a choice available to all of us right now.....? Our 10S
setup is great and should/will continue to be the standard for a long, long
time - yet not a reason to stifle development.BillFrom: Andrew Jesky via
NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
To: Keith Hoard <klhoard at outlook.com>; General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A?By changing the KV to spin the
same prop at the same rpm as the 10 cell setup there isn't much that changes
in the feel. I have hundreds of flights on the 12s setup, and the power
output is no different as well as the torque. Heck if anyone wants to try
the 12 cell setup and has there model setup for a Q80xs let me know. I'd be
more than happy to let you see what you think.??Andrew????Sent from my
iPhone
On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:I think it takes more than 12S to
do that, Chuck . . .?-Keith Hoard-klhoard at outlook.com?. .. [snip].. . . Kv
is easily adjusted by changing the
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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 18:39:13 +0000
From: Stuart Chale <schale1 at outlook.com>
To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
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I am not sure that you can get much bigger as long as you keep the 11 pound
weight limit. Remove the weight limit and yes biplanes will get bigger.
On 11/11/2016 1:13 PM, S. McNickle via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here, but rather than going easy on a
12s setup, won't we just find a way to run the crap out of it (bigger props,
for example) to power bigger, more expensive airplanes if that gives a
competitive advantage?
Scott
________________________________
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<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
To: "Mark Hunt" <flyintexanmark at gmail.com><mailto:flyintexanmark at gmail.com>,
"General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>,
"Ron Hansen" <rcpilot at wowway.com><mailto:rcpilot at wowway.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 12:17:45 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I don't think the issue is about what's required. I read it as the
exploitation of a 12s rule that will result in design changes and drive cost
higher as the hunt continues to gain a competitive advantage .
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S? 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Mark Hunt via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: 11/11/16 10:51 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com><mailto:rcpilot at wowway.com>, General
pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I'm not understanding what significant design changes would be required to
the airframe to take advantage of this change?
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
wrote:
I don?t understand how this rule change won?t affect the AMA classes. Most
planes are designed to satisfy FAI not masters. So all future planes
designed would be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection for
AMA even smaller. This could also result in longer more complicated
sequences. Bad idea unless we are going to make the same change for AMA
classes.
Ron
From: NSRCA-discussion
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bou
nces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 1:51 PM
To: Jeff and Claire; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Yes, but we need fai to pass it first, then get ama to approve.
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Jeff and Claire via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Date: 11/10/16 12:38 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'Bill Pritchett' <billpritch at yahoo.com<mailto:billpritch at yahoo.com>>,
'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>,
'Andrew Jesky' <andrewjesky at gmail.com<mailto:andrewjesky at gmail.com>>, 'Keith
Hoard' <klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Looks like there would need to be a rule change to run 12s in an AMA class.
Current rule says "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a
maximum of 42.56 volts..."
Jeff Worsham
From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Bill Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Andrew Jesky; Keith Hoard; General pattern discussion; General pattern
discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I think a source of universal pride among the pattern community is the
positive ripple effect that development of our gear over the years has
provided the entire model aviation community. This discussion is simply
about the continued development of a power system...the evolution of
electric power. I don't think this would have any significant real or
implied effect on any AMA class. On the other hand, those that choose to
try something new no doubt will - that's how it's always worked. How many
folks in AMA classes fly YS-185s? That's a choice available to all of us
right now..... Our 10S setup is great and should/will continue to be the
standard for a long, long time - yet not a reason to stifle development.
Bill
________________________________
From: Andrew Jesky via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
To: Keith Hoard <klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>>; General
pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
By changing the KV to spin the same prop at the same rpm as the 10 cell
setup there isn't much that changes in the feel. I have hundreds of flights
on the 12s setup, and the power output is no different as well as the
torque. Heck if anyone wants to try the 12 cell setup and has there model
setup for a Q80xs let me know. I'd be more than happy to let you see what
you think.
Andrew
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
wrote:
I think it takes more than 12S to do that, Chuck . . .
-Keith Hoard
-klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>
. .. [snip].. . . Kv is easily adjusted by changing the wind.
Chuck
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