[NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A

Fri Nov 11 04:41:49 AKST 2016

What’s interesting is that aside from the 12S proposal, most of our rule change requests to FAI have been an attempt to introduce AMA rules into FAI.  1/2 points are finally being observed and yes… i think we’ll be getting rid of the silly rounding rule that’s currently in place in FAI (they need time to adjust apparently).

Please keep in mind that FAI is simply the rest of the worlds AMA when it comes to pattern.  Most countries don’t have another governing body when it comes to competition.  They move slowly in making any changes for the same reasons that we resist the urge to make radical rule changes in AMA classes.  They have the same goals of increasing participation, keep costs down, etc. all the time reconciling that with providing a progressive and current competitive framework.   It’s not an easy balance.

AND… we only have ONE vote.

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On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:

We need to have an “FAIxit” vote . . .

-Keith Hoard
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To: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com<mailto:rcpilot at wowway.com>>; General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A

Just keep make it harder for people to get into pattern! Human nature is if xyx pilot is flying a 12s plane then we must fly it also to be competitive.  Why not focus on recruiting people and not push them away.. WHY does everything have to follow the FAI planes, patterns etc?
Leave the AMA classes alone get the pattern SIG to fix the problem and not keep adding to it.

Scott
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From: Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Date: 11/11/16 7:46 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: 'cahochhalter' <cahochhalter at yahoo.com<mailto:cahochhalter at yahoo.com>>, 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>, 'Jeff and Claire' <jeffclaire at cableone.net<mailto:jeffclaire at cableone.net>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
I don’t understand how this rule change won’t affect the AMA classes.  Most planes are designed to satisfy FAI not masters.  So all future planes designed would be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection for AMA even smaller.  This could also result in longer more complicated sequences.  Bad idea unless we are going to make the same change for AMA classes.

Ron

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To: Jeff and Claire; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A

Yes, but we need fai to pass it first, then get ama to approve.

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From: Jeff and Claire via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Date: 11/10/16 12:38 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'Bill Pritchett' <billpritch at yahoo.com<mailto:billpritch at yahoo.com>>, 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>, 'Andrew Jesky' <andrewjesky at gmail.com<mailto:andrewjesky at gmail.com>>, 'Keith Hoard' <klhoard at outlook.com<mailto:klhoard at outlook.com>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
Looks like there would need to be a rule change to run 12s in an AMA class.  Current rule says "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a maximum of 42.56 volts..."
Jeff Worsham

From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bill Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Andrew Jesky; Keith Hoard; General pattern discussion; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A

I think a source of universal pride among the pattern community is the positive ripple effect that development of our gear over the years has provided the entire model aviation community.  This discussion is simply about the continued development of a power system...the evolution of electric power.  I don't think this would have any significant real or implied effect on any AMA class.  On the other hand, those that choose to try something new no doubt will - that's how it's always worked.  How many folks in AMA classes fly YS-185s?  That's a choice available to all of us right now.....  Our 10S setup is great and should/will continue to be the standard for a long, long time - yet not a reason to stifle development.
Bill
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A

By changing the KV to spin the same prop at the same rpm as the 10 cell setup there isn't much that changes in the feel. I have hundreds of flights on the 12s setup, and the power output is no different as well as the torque. Heck if anyone wants to try the 12 cell setup and has there model setup for a Q80xs let me know. I'd be more than happy to let you see what you think.

Andrew

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On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
I think it takes more than 12S to do that, Chuck . . .

-Keith Hoard
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. .. [snip].. . . Kv is easily adjusted by changing the wind.

Chuck

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