[NSRCA-discussion] My Head is Spinning

[Scott McHarg]

Del,

Please enlighten us about "the decisions that the board was making" and
what those consequences were that caused a decline. Please be specific.

On Sunday, November 6, 2016, Del via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> I realize this is beating the dead horse that all ready left the barn...
> But guys.. you were all warned of the consequences of the decisions that
> the board was making and the agenda the NSRCA was taking.. Granted many
> felt for the best of the sport it needed to have those changes made.. They
> didn't want to look at the down side of those changes.. that is
> unfortunate.. But unless a lot of time and some money is spent getting more
> clubs interested in hosting pattern contest you are not going to stimulate
> pattern to the degree you desire.. Many beginners are not about to drive
> hundreds of miles to a pattern contest they know little about and don't
> know if they have any interest. A close by field hosting a pattern event
> that catches a newcomers eye will hook them if they see it and wish they
> could do that.. That is what drove many to join pattern.. seeing some of us
> competing or practicing our skills and said to themselves ~~~ Dang ~~ that
> guy is pretty good.. Wonder what it takes to be like that... Then you have
> someone hooked.. But driving away the little people who were the food sores
> for future growth was a killer and having clubs fall away from hosting was
> the 2nd killer.. How many are going to make the investment and commitment
> if only two or 3 events are held in easy driving distance for many that
> have all kinds of demands of family and other commitments on their time..
> Those that get hooked make changes in their time commitments to participate
> as much as they can.. But the sport has to be visible to a portion of the
> modelers that all ready fly to grow IMHO..
>
> Del
>
>
>
> ---- Pete Cosky via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > Keith I didn¹t know you and I were members at the same club..LOL
> >
> > Seriously the conversation of growing pattern and what we can do and
> what is
> > a good idea keeps coming up but the one thing overlooked in most
> > conversations is the slice of the pie. I have to say Anthony and Chuck
> hit
> > the nail on the head. No matter what we are competing against other
> > interests and demands on time.
> >
> > Growing Pattern ­ we talk about introducing people to it and making it
> > easier to attract new blood but we lose sight that this discipline, and
> make
> > no mistake it is a discipline, only appeals to a very few that not only
> want
> > to challenge themselves but then also get ranked against others to see
> how
> > well they are progressing. It isn¹t for everyone. Making it too hard is
> an
> > issue but so is dumbing it down to the point that people get bored or its
> > too big of a jump from the introductory class to Intermediate.
> >
> > Stopping the exodus of competitors ­ There is NOTHING that will make
> people
> > stay, life changes and so do priorities. I love pattern and made a lot of
> > friends that I miss but I haven¹t flown a pattern plane in 3 years let
> alone
> > practiced a sequence. I didn¹t even put up a single RC flight this year.
> My
> > son is 10 and has no desire to fly RC so guess whatŠdad doesn¹t go to the
> > field and miss the baseball game, the Tae Kwon Do testing or even playing
> > catch in the yard. My job has changed and that was the start but John not
> > wanting to fly was the hammer blow that finally stopped my participation.
> > PrioritiesŠI don¹t even go to my local club meetings anymore (for a
> myriad
> > of reasons other than time). When John is a little older and dad is not
> cool
> > anymore I can see me flying again.
> >
> > I will say this and then I will go play catch with John:
> > Moving the NATS or any other idea may or may not be a good idea but
> nobody
> > knows until we try. If anyone on this list says an idea is bad then you
> have
> > given up before you even tried and that is the same as saying I¹m not
> going
> > to the contest because I might not place first.
> > Do I personally think removing the weight limit is bad? Yes I do.
> > Do I personally think moving the NATS is a bad idea? No I do not.
> > Do I personally think Anthony should not have bought a smoker and just
> used
> > a barbecue grill? Yes and he know that. :-)
> >
> > Guys, I wish I was more active and had the time, but the answers aren¹t
> in
> > fighting or quitting but in trying different things. I have found a
> million
> > ways to fail in my life and I have also found as many ways to succeed but
> > that is only because I tried.
> >
> > Hope to see you all in the coming years.
> >
> > Pete
> >
> >
> > From:  NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <javascript:;>> on behalf
> > of Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <javascript:;>>
> > Reply-To:  Keith Hoard <klhoard at outlook.com <javascript:;>>, General
> pattern discussion
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <javascript:;>>
> > Date:  Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 11:53 AM
> > To:  'cahochhalter' <cahochhalter at yahoo.com <javascript:;>>, 'General
> pattern discussion'
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <javascript:;>>
> > Subject:  Re: [NSRCA-discussion] My Head is Spinning
> >
> > I can¹t even convince the members of my club to obtain the skills
> necessary
> > to keep from crashing into the pits every third flight . . .
> >
> > So pattern is way out . .
> >
> >
> > -Keith Hoard
> > -klhoard at outlook.com <javascript:;>
> >
> >
> > From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <javascript:;>] On
> > Behalf Of cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion
> > Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 09:44
> > To: W Anthony Abdullah <aabdu at sbcglobal.net <javascript:;>>; General
> pattern discussion
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <javascript:;>>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] My Head is Spinning
> >
> >
> > So if we turn pattern in more of a spectator sport wr will attract more
> > pilots.
> >
> >
> >
> > No one has addressed how the hobby itself has changed. The building of
> pla
> > es is gone. 3D, helis, quads, fpv and our general ama focus is no where
> near
> > pattern. Pattern is about the indiviual who decides they want to be
> better,
> > its personal. Its attracting local pilots with other local pattern
> > individuals thats keepa it going. It's not a magazine article, a
> scoreboard,
> > the Nats, or the NSRCA.
> >
> >
> >
> > Until we as individuals take responsibility for growing pattern and dont
> > place blame on an organization such as the NSRCA for trying to keep up
> with
> > change and no one knows the answer.
> >
> >
> >
> > No one has mentioned poor judging at Nats, biased judging, lack of
> > commitment to an event where at yhe end of the week the same few people
> are
> > left to judge finals and then people complain about the lack of
> selection as
> > some districts obviously are more commited than others so the judging
> pool
> > is loaded for different parts of the country.
> >
> >
> >
> > Comments made online about the success of ensuring some pilots made the
> > finals in masters so they dont judge fai.
> >
> >
> >
> > Do these things not hinder participation in pattern due to the negative
> > perception of events and lack of effort to address them.
> >
> >
> >
> > Moving the nats isnt going to fix anything, but it might bring a breath
> of
> > fresh air into a sport that is stagnant.
> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe mixing in spa / cpa would allow some cross over between
> disciplines,
> > might both organizations grow?
> >
> >
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: W Anthony Abdullah via NSRCA-discussion
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <javascript:;>>
> > Date: 11/6/16 9:12 AM (GMT-06:00)
> > To: John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net <javascript:;>>, General pattern
> discussion
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <javascript:;>>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] My Head is Spinning
> >
> > I like the scoreboard idea. Perhaps we need to make pattern more of a
> > "show". Big jet events and even our annual club big bird fun fly has an
> > announcer. Imagine Michael Buffer announcing the pilot and calling the
> next
> > maneuver over the PA system <JK>. We don't need to go all WWF but a
> little
> > showmanship wouldn't hurt. Imagine baseball without announcers.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark A, don't you dare nominate me as the permanent "color" man. :o)
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >
> > On Nov 5, 2016, at 6:45 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > The Contest board has already received a number of proposals to change
> the
> > > rules.
> > >
> > > There are three that pertain to this discussion:
> > > 1. Proposal to eliminate the advancement criteria and allow
> contestants to
> > > step backwards in class at the end of the year
> > > 2. Elimination of the weight rule for Sportsman, Intermediate and
> Advanced
> > > 3. Eliminate the box requirements for Sportsman
> > > I suggest that if you have opinions on these proposals, that you find
> out who
> > > your representative is, and make your opinion known. It seems clear
> that there
> > > are some making an attempt being made to address some of the issues.
> Any AMA
> > > member can propose a rule change. If you feel strongly about any of the
> > > suggestions made in this thread, I suggest you propose a change that
> you feel
> > > would positively impact pattern.
> > >
> > > Other ideas.
> > >
> > > Something that has been done by the NSRCA is introduction of the Club
> Class.
> > > Personally I do not feel that it would be appropriate to add a class at
> > > pattern contests. However it would be a great vehicle for running a
> pattern
> > > seminar for your area. Come up with some drawing prizes, some pattern
> guys to
> > > help, someone to cook some hot dogs for lunch, someone(s) to run a
> seminar on
> > > "what is pattern" and finish up with a couple rounds of club class.
> Make it an
> > > annual event and make sure the word gets to all the clubs in your area.
> > >
> > > Another thing that needs to be done is to have a real scoreboard. A
> large
> > > scoreboard. This is essential for any spectators most of which are RC
> flyers
> > > with no or little exposure to pattern. Without a way to tell what is
> going on
> > > and who is doing it, a spectator will watch two flights and leave very
> bored.
> > >
> > > The scoreboard should have:
> > > 1. Pilots Name
> > > 2. Photo of pilot and Model
> > > 3. Scores by round with both raw and normalized scores
> > > 4. Current standing in class
> > > 5. Handouts available for:
> > >>> * What is pattern including explanations of the classes
> > >>> * Ribbons and Aresti of the sequences being used and explanation of
> scoring,
> > >>> k-factors and normalization
> > >>> * How about pilot Bios?
> > > 6. There needs to be someone designated to support the board if you
> have much
> > > traffic.
> > > How about a Senior award like IMAC does at local contests? The NSRCA
> used to
> > > do this at the NATs but it seems to have faded away.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
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*Scott A. McHarg*
VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
Texas A&M University
PPL - ASEL
Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107
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