[NSRCA-discussion] Bowtie

[Vicente Bortone]

Hi Don,

Probably you meant the rectangle in the bow tie and the square in the
double I.

Vince

On Tuesday, July 5, 2016, Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> This would be more clear if it were drawn with the square drawn at the
> high and low points of the radii just like the double immelmann.
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> This is accurate, though it might be less confusing (when comparing to an
> aresti if you do the same drawing but with the circles smaller, within the
> original square drawing.  It will demonstrate the same thing (show that the
> resulting shape is more rectangular) but without leaving the confines of
> the original drawing.
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> On Jul 5, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Charlie Barrera via NSRCA-discussion <
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> Yep, the diagram in the KFactor was a little misleading. I think this is
> the correct geometry.
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> On Jul 5, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion <
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> I think this will make it more clear.
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> On Saturday, July 2, 2016, Phil Spelt via NSRCA-discussion <
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> Yes, Stuart, my maneuvers all look much better in PaintShop or PowerPoint
> than they do in R/C airplane!
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> Yup try to draw it with radii.  Only if your corners are points (pretty
> tough on the plane) will the maneuver be square.
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> I actually used Corel Draw where I could be sure all radii were equal to
> see how it should look.  Now if I could only fly it that way :)
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> Stuart C.
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> On 7/1/2016 1:49 PM, cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
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> The radius locations of the bowtie create a rectangle.
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> See attached drawings.
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> Drawing courtesy of Mark Hunt
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Verne Koester via NSRCA-discussion
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> Date: 7/1/16 12:35 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: NSRCA <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Bowtie
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> I just read the Judges Chair in the latest K-Factor regarding the Bow Tie
> in Masters. Their opinion is that the overall shape of the maneuver should
> form a rectangle rather than a square. I can’t see how that’s geometrically
> possible. The center portion of the maneuver has two opposing 45 degree
> lines. Assuming we want the baseline and top line height the same and we
> want the maneuver centered, the 45 degree lines mandate an overall square
> shape. The only way to make a rectangle out of it is to either fly an angle
> of less than 45 degrees through the center or add short straight lines
> before and after the 45’s going into the radiuses into the verticals. The
> illustration in the K-Factor showing how the Bow Tie should be shaped
> illustrates this because the center angle lines in their rectangle drawing
> are clearly less than 45 degrees. The Masters aresti shows the correct
> overall shape and it’s square.
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> Verne Koester
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