[NSRCA-discussion] Arming device

[Scott McHarg]

Rest in peace Roman Pirozek Jr,

On Sunday, May 17, 2015, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

>  Y'all don't hang around helicopter fly-ins much, do ya?
>
> -Keith Hoard
> -Sent from my Windows Phone
>  ------------------------------
> From: Ronald Van Putte via NSRCA-discussion
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org');>
> Sent: ‎5/‎17/‎2015 12:08
> To: General pattern discussion
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org');>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device
>
>  Yeah!  Even if we are capable of causing carnage with our unsafe
> airplane, it’s nobody else’s business.  Don’t mess with my airplane!
>
>  Ron (with tongue in cheek)
>
>  On May 17, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org');>> wrote:
>
>  Pattern is turning into a box checking, over-regulated government
> operation.
>
> -Keith Hoard
> -Sent from my Windows Phone
>  ------------------------------
> From: Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org');>
> Sent: ‎5/‎17/‎2015 9:04
> To: David Harmon <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','k6xyz at sbcglobal.net');>; General
> pattern discussion
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org');>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]  Arming device
>
>  TAG IN.....
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I started to do that in my contest in Kansas City last year.  This year in
> pilot meeting I said. " If you don't do it the first round will be zeroed.
> Well I think worked well"
>
> John F.
>
> You just made my day. I do more or less the same you do. I review a lot of
> projects. Clearly will all here analyzed the system and we know the steps
> could be used to mitigate a possible situation. That is the end of
> discussion in cases like this. Just give me a real possibility of tag in
> and tag out.
>
> Jon,
>
> Good research. Now you have to find what is the code that applies to model
> airplanes. I knew that there is no one specific code. However existing
> codes applies for similar systems. If all if them arrives to the same
> conclusion we will be in better shape if we just follow the intent of all
> codes you can find. Now try to find the specifics for a system similar to
> the one we have. I already know the answer so I don't need to ask our
> friend Google.
>
> TAG OUT
>
>
>
> On Saturday, May 16, 2015, David Harmon via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org');>> wrote:
>
> With as much talk that has gone on and on andonandonandonandon about this
> arming device......puff..puff....not much percentage.
> Especially when it is so easy to check.....
> Before the first takeoff of each pilot on the first round....the helper
> holds the plane off the ground and the pilot turns off the transmitter.
> The judges can verify that the motor does not start.
> Easy....no drama.
>
> Oh wait....this was never done with glow....but I HAVE seen several guys
> chawed up by a howling YS.
> One time a guys airplane chased him in a circle as he was trying to catch
> it...he had one leg in front of one wing and for an old guy he moved
> pretty
> quick.
> I can't describe how long I laughed about that incident.
>
> In the end....my opinion is checking the fail-safe function should be a
> must
> at each contest.
>
> David Harmon
> Sperry, OK
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
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> On
>
>   Behalf Of Ron Van Putte via NSRCA-discussion
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 4:58 PM
>
>
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device
>
>   I have seen too many situations where an ID10T error caused serious
> damage
> that would have been precluded by the use of a shorting plug.
>
> What percentage of pilots’ transmitters would fail the fail safe test?
> Anybody?
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> On May 16, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Whodaddy Whodaddy via NSRCA-discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org');>> wrote:
>
> > Seems like we have to many people with to much time on their hands
> sitting
> around fantasizing about what might happen if .... Really.... if u cant
> control the aircraft in all aspects then u prolly shouldn't have one... Let
> alone legislate what i need to be doing with mine...
> >
> >
> > Gary
> >
>
>   > Sent from my iPhone
> >
>
>
>   >> On May 16, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion
>
>   <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org');>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Code doesn't apply to model airplanes.  Cars do not disconnect the
> battery, except on race cars with a disconnect switch in case of a wreck.
> Normal road cars do not, and modern cars leave a lot of things connected
> when the ignition is off.  A lot of cars have underhood fans that run for
> awhile after the car is shut off.
> >>
> >> If this was a big issue, AMA would address it with all model aircraft,
> not just pattern. Electric is common in helis, controline, etc. We are over
> killing this something awful.
> >>
> >> Jon
> >>
> >>> On May 16, 2015 2:11 PM, Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org');>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> the ignition switch.
> >>>
> >>>> On Saturday, May 16, 2015, Vicente Bortone <vincebrc at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vincebrc at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Saturday, May 16, 2015, Del R via NSRCA-discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org');>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The nice thing about being brought up around GUNS.. It teaches
> >>>>> people to respect it always as though it is loaded and cocked
> >>>>> ready to deliver its physical life altering energy!!!.. < tic >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: David Cook via NSRCA-discussion
> >>>>>> To: Jim Woodward ; General pattern discussion
> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 10:48 AM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just to open the can of worms from the other end.
> >>>>>> Now that I have seen the damage a runaway can do to a pool table
> even
> with an external arming device, I have begun to make it a common practice
> to
> remove the prop from the electric planes any time I am not at the field
> flying. Store the ammunition and the pin under two different locks. How
> easy
> is it to be careless in the shop or transporting a plane. This thread could
> just explode with stories of mishaps we have made or come way too close to.
> >>>>>> You just can't be too carful with these things!!!
> >>>>>> DC
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Jim Woodward via NSRCA-discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org');>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ... Going electric induces a mental physchosis that requires
> >>>>>>> everyone else to switch, then go and change the rules for glow
> >>>>>>> :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On May 16, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org');>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I think the YS guys should have their caller remove the fuel tank
> and glow plug before picking up the plane and exiting the runway  . . .
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: NSRCA-discussion
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> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org');>
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
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> On Behalf Of
> >>>>>>>> precisionaero via NSRCA-discussion
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 8:38 AM
> >>>>>>>> To: General pattern discussion
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I think we should reconfigure a YS engine to drive a generator to
> supply electricity to the electric motor.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -------- Original message --------
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Date:05/16/2015 09:31 (GMT-05:00)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> To: General pattern discussion , ronlock at comcast.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ronlock at comcast.net');>, David
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I think we're all in agreement, which is why the rules proposal we
> put forth requires a *physical* break in the circuit!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent from Outlook
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 6:16 AM -0700, "ronlock--- via
> NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org');>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm in agreement.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ron Lockhart
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: "David via NSRCA-discussion"
> >>>>>>>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org');>>
> >>>>>>>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org');>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 1:14:21 AM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to bring up a sore subject but this has been
> bugging me since it was up a while back. I am the senior electronics
> technician in the plasma physics department at the University of Wisconsin.
> About a third of what I do is make interlock circuits for the Madison
> Symmetric Torus. I know that the best way of keeping things safe is to
> remove the potential energy from a circuit to keep bad things from
> happening. The problem with depending on a circuit such as the emcotec type
> of disconnect or to just relying solely on the radio and ESC to keep things
> safe is failure modes. You can plan for all different failure types but to
> make it a circuit that isn't a lead brick being added to the plane there
> are
> compromises that have to be made. This leads to designing systems that may
> deal with only the most common types of failures. For example most common
> diodes and tantalum capacitors usually fail in a shorted mode, but not
> always. Many carbon resistors will decrease in résistance just prior to
> opening up. You get the idea, there are just so many possibilities and
> combinations that in my opinion the only real way to safe a power system is
> to disconnect the energy source. Ok, now I feel better that I said
> something.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>> --
> >>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
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> >>> --
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*Scott A. McHarg*
VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
Texas A&M University
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