[NSRCA-discussion] Arming device

David Harmon k6xyz at sbcglobal.net
Sat May 16 19:29:27 AKDT 2015 

Hahahah....well I had to do something....I ran out of popcorn!

David Harmon
Sperry, OK

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Budd [mailto:jerrybudd at me.com] 
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 7:05 PM
To: David Harmon; NSRCA-list List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device

Dave, Dave, Dave, you’re making WAY too much sense for this discussion.

Please refrain from interjecting any more clear logic, this thread is too
entertaining to end prematurely..

JB

> On May 16, 2015, at 3:55 PM, David Harmon via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> 
> With as much talk that has gone on and on andonandonandonandon about 
> this arming device......puff..puff....not much percentage.
> Especially when it is so easy to check.....
> Before the first takeoff of each pilot on the first round....the 
> helper holds the plane off the ground and the pilot turns off the
transmitter.
> The judges can verify that the motor does not start.
> Easy....no drama.
> 
> Oh wait....this was never done with glow....but I HAVE seen several 
> guys chawed up by a howling YS.
> One time a guys airplane chased him in a circle as he was trying to 
> catch it...he had one leg in front of one wing and for an old guy he 
> moved pretty quick.
> I can't describe how long I laughed about that incident.
> 
> In the end....my opinion is checking the fail-safe function should be 
> a must at each contest.
> 
> David Harmon
> Sperry, OK
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NSRCA-discussion 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van 
> Putte via NSRCA-discussion
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 4:58 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device
> 
> I have seen too many situations where an ID10T error caused serious 
> damage that would have been precluded by the use of a shorting plug.
> 
> What percentage of pilots’ transmitters would fail the fail safe test?
> Anybody?
> 
> Ron Van Putte
> 
> On May 16, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Whodaddy Whodaddy via NSRCA-discussion 
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> 
>> Seems like we have to many people with to much time on their hands 
>> sitting
> around fantasizing about what might happen if .... Really.... if u 
> cant control the aircraft in all aspects then u prolly shouldn't have
one... Let
> alone legislate what i need to be doing with mine...   
>> 
>> 
>> Gary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 16, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Code doesn't apply to model airplanes.  Cars do not disconnect the
> battery, except on race cars with a disconnect switch in case of a wreck.
> Normal road cars do not, and modern cars leave a lot of things 
> connected when the ignition is off.  A lot of cars have underhood fans 
> that run for awhile after the car is shut off.
>>> 
>>> If this was a big issue, AMA would address it with all model 
>>> aircraft,
> not just pattern. Electric is common in helis, controline, etc. We are 
> over killing this something awful.
>>> 
>>> Jon
>>> 
>>>> On May 16, 2015 2:11 PM, Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> the ignition switch. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Saturday, May 16, 2015, Vicente Bortone <vincebrc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Saturday, May 16, 2015, Del R via NSRCA-discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The nice thing about being brought up around GUNS.. It teaches 
>>>>>> people to respect it always as though it is loaded and cocked 
>>>>>> ready to deliver its physical life altering energy!!!.. < tic >
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: David Cook via NSRCA-discussion
>>>>>>> To: Jim Woodward ; General pattern discussion
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 10:48 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Just to open the can of worms from the other end.
>>>>>>> Now that I have seen the damage a runaway can do to a pool table 
>>>>>>> even
> with an external arming device, I have begun to make it a common 
> practice to remove the prop from the electric planes any time I am not 
> at the field flying. Store the ammunition and the pin under two 
> different locks. How easy is it to be careless in the shop or 
> transporting a plane. This thread could just explode with stories of
mishaps we have made or come way too close to.
>>>>>>> You just can't be too carful with these things!!!
>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Jim Woodward via 
>>>>>>>> NSRCA-discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ... Going electric induces a mental physchosis that requires 
>>>>>>>> everyone else to switch, then go and change the rules for glow
>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I think the YS guys should have their caller remove the fuel 
>>>>>>>>> tank
> and glow plug before picking up the plane and exiting the runway  . . .
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From: NSRCA-discussion
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>>>>> precisionaero via NSRCA-discussion
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 8:38 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I think we should reconfigure a YS engine to drive a generator 
>>>>>>>>> to
> supply electricity to the electric motor.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From: Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Date:05/16/2015 09:31 (GMT-05:00)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> To: General pattern discussion , ronlock at comcast.net, David
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I think we're all in agreement, which is why the rules 
>>>>>>>>> proposal we
> put forth requires a *physical* break in the circuit!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from Outlook
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 6:16 AM -0700, "ronlock--- via
> NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I'm in agreement.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Ron Lockhart
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> From: "David via NSRCA-discussion" 
>>>>>>>>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 1:14:21 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to bring up a sore subject but this has been
> bugging me since it was up a while back. I am the senior electronics 
> technician in the plasma physics department at the University of
Wisconsin.
> About a third of what I do is make interlock circuits for the Madison 
> Symmetric Torus. I know that the best way of keeping things safe is to 
> remove the potential energy from a circuit to keep bad things from 
> happening. The problem with depending on a circuit such as the emcotec 
> type of disconnect or to just relying solely on the radio and ESC to 
> keep things safe is failure modes. You can plan for all different 
> failure types but to make it a circuit that isn't a lead brick being 
> added to the plane there are compromises that have to be made. This 
> leads to designing systems that may deal with only the most common 
> types of failures. For example most common diodes and tantalum 
> capacitors usually fail in a shorted mode, but not always. Many carbon 
> resistors will decrease in résistance just prior to opening up. You 
> get the idea, there are just so many possibilities and combinations 
> that in my opinion the only real way to safe a power system is to 
> disconnect the energy source. Ok, now I feel better that I said something.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>> --
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>>>> 
>>>> 
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