[NSRCA-discussion] Registration - Pro-Active

Wed Dec 23 04:54:48 AKST 2015

Agree with Joe, Episode 4 of AMA Air is worth watching (Joe also called it that the web site might not work right away LOL, good call Joe)...

Apparently AMA is doing what they can to sort this out on our behalf: January looks to be a busy month with the FAA at the Expo and another public comment opportunity that AMA will guide us through.  I will stay tuned to see what AMA asks me to do and when.  Meanwhile, I have some time off from work over the holidays and will continue practicing the new Advanced schedule when the rain and fog give us a flying break.  Happy Holidays guys!

> On Dec 23, 2015, at 7:58 AM, John Fuqua via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> I guess AMA was right in suggesting we delay signing up-
> http://www.aero-news.net/annticker.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=2249c729-9188-4f0a-9268-ff0fcbddc6bf <http://www.aero-news.net/annticker.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=2249c729-9188-4f0a-9268-ff0fcbddc6bf>
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> must have hired the same company as obamacare
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> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 6:50 AM
> To: 'Joe Lachowski'; 'General pattern discussion'; 'David Cook'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Registration - Pro-Active
>  
> I’m an environmental consultant with 25 years of air permitting experience.   When I first started, CO2 was a good pollutant because it meant your combustion source was operating efficiently (i.e., not producing CO and unburnt hydrocarbons).   Now it supposedly causes global warming.  The point is, it is likely too late.  Baring a successful lawsuit staying or altogether prohibiting the regulation of model aircraft the cat is out of the bag.  Now that the executive branch of government can adopt new rules without congressional oversight this is a boulder rolling downhill.  Next up, limitations on flying above the 400 ft or worse prohibition on the sale and manufacture of drones in the US.  If they think they can limit guns and ammo sales without congressional approval they can certainly regulate our little hobby.
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> The video was unclear to me.  Is there already a limitation to 400 ft?  This will do nothing to educate those who don’t want to be educated.  Hell, there are AMA members in my club that refuse to abide by the AMA and club safety rules.
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> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 8:30 PM
> To: David Cook; General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Registration - Pro-Active
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> Did everyone view the recent video posted on the AMA site? It does make the situation a little clearer in my mind. 
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>  The big takeaway is that the situation is still fluid and that what is going on is still in the interim status and that there is opportunity to provide comments to the FAA.
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> I think we have beat this to death already and frankly I'm starting to just delete these emails and not bother reading them anymore.
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> From: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>> on behalf of David Cook via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 4:32 PM
> To: John FORD; General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Registration - Pro-Active
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> If the FAA and the police show up you will have a cease and desist order and you will be arrested for exceeding 400'.
> This new FAA law doesn't have much wiggle room.
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> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 7:15 PM, John FORD via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
> I agree about education.
> In the event that FAA or local law enforcement shows up at the field, (and after they have seen everybody's registration), there may be an opportunity to explain the concept of the club's over flight boundaries, separation of heli and fixed wing zones, and the additional concept of the pattern box.
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> Eventually, we can create an image of self-imposed OCD of boundaries, zones, and boxes...
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> They will eventually stop wasting their time with us.
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> J
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> On Dec 22, 2015 12:41 PM, James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
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> > Scott, I almost responded to your previous post on the NSRCA list on the 16th about putting together a paper pointing out the facts, got me thinking about how to deal with registration going forward.
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> > Registration isn't going away and there is no substitute for knowledge.
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> > There are many knowledgeable and concerned individuals monitoring this list, so I'll put this out for serious discussion, if that's possible here.
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> > Responsibility for a compatible environment goes beyond AMA / FAA negations.
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> > WE, the modeling community need to be Pro-Active.
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> > We have an understanding of the equipment we use and its evolution and we are everywhere.
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> > The responsibility for educating first responders and the general public falls on US. We probably need more than an educational document focused on the registration rule that can be used to inform first responders, mainly firefighters and frontline police officers.
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> > They will be the first people to deal with an incident involving injury, property damage, complaints and or violation of the national airspace.
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> > I believe we local modelers need to develop a working relationship with first responders in an instructional capacity by offering an informative and on sight presentation highlighting the equipment, capabilities, differences and how to safely deal with it.
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> > I don't know how much of this information they already have or how up to date it is but I believe our participation would be appreciated.
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> > The AMA should oversee the development of presentation material and instructor guidelines in an effort to maintain national continuity. A power point presentation by involved users is likely to be more effective than just sending a document without an opportunity for discussion.
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> > The downside is keeping up with RPV development and their capabilities and the need for ongoing informative seminars.
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> > Hopefully first responders with prior knowledge would help direct investigation beyond a visit to approved model flying sights.
> >
> > Jim Hiller  
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