[NSRCA-discussion] UAS registration

Tue Dec 22 09:38:58 AKST 2015

Having been dealing with GEM (Government Employee Mentality) for a long time I can assure you they will distinguish "will" and "shall" in a way that is most  to their advantage and it will be up to you to prove a case for a different distinction. Good luck with that!

Dave

From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Fuqua via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 10:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] UAS registration

Having been involved in many government defense contracts I can attest that they distinguish will and shall in the same way.

From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 9:21 AM
To: Jeff and Claire
Cc: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] UAS registration

I only point out the distinction between "will" and "shall" because every contract & statement of work and every set of requirements I've ever had to work to has made that distinction as well.  Will means that it sure would be nice if you did it.  Shall means that you are strictly held to account over it.

On Dec 22, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Jeff and Claire <jeffclaire at cableone.net> wrote:

We can argue semantics, but if you fly R/C events such as soaring, RC Assist Old Timer, Pattern, etc in which you routinely bust 400ft because that's what you must do in order to do well in the event, what are you going to tell the Feds when they show up at an event and start asking questions- "Yea I signed that I will not fly over 400 ft. but I thought it was just a guideline so I go ahead and fly over 400ft during every competition flight and every flight in which I'm practicing for competition.  Really sir, that's only about 700-1000 flights a year.  What's the problem?" 

Doesn't seem like it will be a comfortable spot to be in.  Makes my blood boil thinking about it. 

From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:19 PM
To: John Gayer; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] UAS registration

Actually, it would need to say "I shall", not "I will' in order for it to compel you to comply.  Don't worry about the 400' guideline so much.

On Dec 21, 2015, at 8:08 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

Anytime a document says "I will" rather than "I should" or "I will if"
and it is something you are signing, be prepared to be held to your word.
It may be a guideline before you sign it but not afterwards. What do you think the checkmark is for?

John

On 12/21/2015 5:38 PM, Ted Sander via NSRCA-discussion wrote:

Ditto - not a rule or law, it says guideline.  Which I will follow anytime I am aware of piloted aircraft in my area.

On Dec 21, 2015, at 6:25 PM, John FORD via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca--discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

I agreed to observe a guideline, as stated on the certificate.

J

On Dec 21, 2015 5:58 PM, Scott Smith <vze23c3q at gmail.com> wrote:

So you agreed to fly under 400 ft?  Man, this is a huge problem...amazing how quads revolutionized our hobby! 

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 6:47 PM, John Ford via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

Took me only a few minutes. The site worked well.

J

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On Dec 21, 2015, at 5:18 PM, Patrick Harris via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

Who's on First?  

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Patternpilot One via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

Jan 20th is the end of the free period.

The Feb date is when aircraft prior to December 21st have to register. Any aircraft after today has to be registered right away...

That's what I saw on the site.

Sa

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From: Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
Date: 12/21/2015 6:05 PM (GMT-05:00) 
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] UAS registration 

The FAA site says January 20th, not February I think that is what I saw?

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From: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on behalf of Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 1:12 PM
To: Ihncheol; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] UAS registration 

Remember, AMA is not telling you do not register, they're telling you to wait until they figure out what, if anything, they can do about it OR register at the deadline in February.

Scott A. McHarg

VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot

Texas A&M University

PPL - ASEL

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Ihncheol via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

Link that Scott provided took 3 different clicks to work after waiting at least 5min plus each time.

Then, Confirming  the account by clicking on the link I got in an email takes forever.  Been waiting for the last 30 min.  Still a blank.

Does FAA really think  this will work?

Also about AMA telling us not to register, I don't worry about local here.  However, those who are close to large metro area that FAA may monitor regularly, does AMA going to cover the fine if they are caught not registered while  AMA tells us what to do? 

Ihncheol

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From: DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion 

Date:12/21/2015 2:37 PM (GMT-06:00) 

To: Keith Hoard , General pattern discussion 

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] UAS registration 

Maybe the rumors are true and the UAS site was setup by the good folks behind healthcare.gov......

Regards,

Dave

Please pardon any spelling errors or brevity.....Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3

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From: Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
Date: 12/21/2015 15:27 (GMT-05:00) 
To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] UAS registration 

Hmmmmm, what a perfect phishing site . . . .  

I’d LOL all the way to my holding cell.

--Keith Hoard

--klhoard at outlook.com

From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 14:21
To: Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com>; General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] UAS registration

Out of idle curiosity, how did you find this link?
There seems to be no path to it from   http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/

Also the link below either doesn't work or can't handle the load.

John

On 12/21/2015 12:45 PM, Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion wrote:

Looks like this is the link?????

https://registermyuas.faa.gov/

Scott A. McHarg

VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot

Texas A&M University

PPL - ASEL

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