[NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
John Gayer
jgghome at comcast.net
Tue Dec 15 14:01:27 AKST 2015
Some clubs will, probably many won't.
Wasn't advocating for clubs to enforce registration, only saying I don't
see any extra liability for doing so.
Didn't we have FCC license checks at contests way back when?
John
On 12/15/2015 2:20 PM, John Ford wrote:
>
> I won't argue, but it similarly seems a stretch that clubs would even
> bother.
>
> We are debating the lack of merit of the rule, and we would then
> enforce it one step beyond what the rule requires?
>
> I don't follow...
>
> John
>
> On Dec 15, 2015 4:08 PM, "John Gayer" <jgghome at comcast.net
> <mailto:jgghome at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> Seems like a real stretch to say the club assumed any liability by
> requiring their membership to comply with federal rules as they
> apply to model aircraft.
>
> You could argue an even greater liability exists by requiring AMA
> membership and adherence to the safety code which typically is not
> rigorously enforced.
>
> John
>
> On 12/15/2015 1:30 PM, John Ford via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>> Dave,
>> Probably will become commonplace for clubs to do that sort of
>> thing, I imagine, even though it clearly oversteps their bounds.
>> If I was a club president, I wouldn't want to touch this with a
>> ten foot pole. Imagine that a club president starts playing "FAA
>> registry police" for the membership, and a plane registered to a
>> club member cause injury to someone offsite, or a club member
>> hits a Cessna at 1000ft over the club field. What happens then?
>> Someone could argue that even though the statutory liability lies
>> with the individual, the established practice of "registry
>> control" by the club implies acceptance of a similar liability by
>> the club. By doing this, the club is demonstrating that they are
>> willing to accept responsibility for the compliant behavior of
>> the individual AND of the aircraft.
>>
>> Why even go there if you don't have to?
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2015, at 11:42 AM, David Harmon <k6xyz at sbcglobal.net
>> <mailto:k6xyz at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree John……but in the case of the club I belong to…..the BOD
>>> will make it theirs and the club business to ensure that all
>>> members are registered with the FAA and verified by the club.
>>> **
>>> *David Harmon*
>>> *Sperry, OK*
>>> *From:*NSRCA-discussion
>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <mailto:discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>]*On Behalf Of*John
>>> Ford via NSRCA-discussion
>>> *Sent:*Tuesday, December 15, 2015 6:37 AM
>>> *To:*Comcast <mark.grabowski at comcast.net
>>> <mailto:mark.grabowski at comcast.net>>; General pattern discussion
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
>>> On my plane, the number will be accessible without tools, per
>>> the rule, but unless asked by an FAA official, I'm not offering
>>> to show where it is to anyone.
>>> I need to have my registration with me, and I will, but no one
>>> gets to see it. As the rule says, this is between me and the FAA.
>>> Not up to the clubs or the AMA to police individuals on behalf
>>> of the FAA, so identity theft should not be a problem.
>>> John
>>> On Dec 15, 2015, at 7:12 AM, Comcast via NSRCA-discussion
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Been thinking the very same thing. Someone steals a user
>>> number, does something stupid and then there's a knock at my
>>> door. Without a great alibi what are you gonna do???
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2015, at 5:23 AM, Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Speaking of use cases, perhaps I missed it in the flurry
>>> of emails yesterday, but has anyone thought about the
>>> identity theft risk that the FAA is creating? By
>>> registering the pilot and not having unique
>>> identification numbers for each model that are assigned
>>> to an owner, it sets up the scenario for anyone else to
>>> use your number on their model and cause virtually
>>> unlimited problems for you, anywhere, anytime. To help
>>> reduce this risk, at the very least, the numbers would
>>> have to be provided by the FAA with some sort of
>>> marking, holography, whatever to at least raise the
>>> difficulty of identity theft from zero to something
>>> above zero. You can apparently use a felt marker to
>>> scribble your own numbers as it stands now.
>>> Better yet, from an identity theft perspective at least,
>>> there should be unique numbers for each model provided
>>> to the owner. This, of course would drive costs way up
>>> and incur delays.
>>>
>>> We should put the central planners in charge of every
>>> aspect of our lives now, should we not? They've really
>>> shown their true colors on this one. Incompetent boobs,
>>> every last one of them.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 15:53:22 -0800
>>> To:acornacchione at hotmail.com
>>> <mailto:acornacchione at hotmail.com>;nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins
>>> December 21
>>> From:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>
>>> Honestly, I think thats one of the use-cases the FAA
>>> didn't think through real well...
>>> My belief is that this whole thing is about creating a
>>> sense of accountability for the "rogue" users (I'm not
>>> willing to give them the term pilot because they don't
>>> deserve it) who do stupid shit like flying around a
>>> wildfire and preventing Calfire airborne response for
>>> 20+ minutes, etc. It's about dealing with the anti-AMA
>>> guys who fly 120+mph EDFs weighing 6+ lbs over an active
>>> soccer game at a local park, it's about dealing with the
>>> dipshits who fly their drone on the takeoff/approach
>>> path of an active full scale airport in hopes of "cool
>>> footage". The AMA field flyers are the least of the
>>> FAA's worries and we're blowing it out of proportion.
>>> Yes, it's a stupid regulation, but let's comply where we
>>> can and show ourselves to be the responsible modelers
>>> the AMA says we are.
>>> For the foreign guys, first of all, sorry for the
>>> needless red tape (though I think a similar thing is
>>> coming for the BMFA guys in the UK and it would not
>>> surprise me to see a more sensible version of this from
>>> the Canadian guys). But if I were CD'ing a contest and
>>> some guys came down from the Great White North, I'd
>>> happily hook them up with some temporary form of my own
>>> registration # to put in their planes for the purposes
>>> of flying at the contest because I know them to be
>>> responsible pilots.
>>> Peter+
>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Anthony Cornacchione
>>> via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Legit question with an unknown answer: how will
>>> this impact international (IMAC Worlds in Muncie
>>> 2018) NATS with international competitors (NATS News
>>> this year had a nice write up) and our local
>>> contests which have had the occasional Canadian
>>> wander south?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 14, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Dana Beaton via
>>> NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Boaters register their pleasure craft, fishermen
>>> & hunters buy licenses, some folks even register
>>> their firearms! So what? Are we going to give up
>>> our hobby just because of a tiny pice of red
>>> tape? Nope! Just keep flying. The bad actors who
>>> misuse their aircraft will run afoul local
>>> authorities sure enough, that's their problem,
>>> not ours. We need to continue to set the good
>>> example though our good flying. Good flying
>>> will carry the day.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 14, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Dave Burton via
>>> NSRCA-discussion
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So, just shut up and drink the Kool-Aid?
>>>
>>> *From:*NSRCA-discussion
>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]*On
>>> Behalf Of*Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion
>>> *Sent:*Monday, December 14, 2015 6:15 PM
>>> *To:*Atwood, Mark; General pattern discussion
>>> *Subject:*Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA
>>> Registration begins December 21
>>>
>>> Yep.... yep... yep.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Atwood,
>>> Mark via NSRCA-discussion
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hasn’t that private information ship already
>>> sailed? We all register cars and think
>>> nothing of it. Heck, we even took classes,
>>> got educated, and were tested for a license
>>> before we could own or operate a car and we
>>> have to renew that every four years and
>>> prove we’re still physically capable
>>> (minimal proof admittedly). Personally not
>>> sure a gun should be much different but
>>> don’t want to start that discussion
>>> (especially since I’m generally pro gun…just
>>> not pro redneck hill jack survivalist
>>> conspiracy theorist) but not registering to
>>> fly airplanes? Really? We trade more info
>>> internationally downloading a Facebook app.
>>> Also, we’re already registered… just with
>>> the AMA, not the USA. And yes, the AMA is
>>> trying to make that our ONLY registration,
>>> but that’s just a proposal at this point.
>>>
>>> Guys… we already do ALL of this. Our AMA #
>>> is on the plane, we follow safety rules,
>>> blah blah blah. This is a very minor
>>> inconvenience and if the AMA proposal to use
>>> our AMA# for our registration number it
>>> won’t even be that.
>>>
>>> On Dec 14, 2015, at 5:15 PM, Dave Burton via
>>> NSRCA-discussion
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Now is the time for massive civil disobedience!
>>>
>>> I don't think I'd register my planes any
>>> more than I'd register my guns.
>>>
>>> Too bad AMA has no clout like the NRA.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion
>>> [<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Robert L. Beaubien via
>>> NSRCA-discussion
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 1:23 PM
>>> *To:* Scott McHarg; General pattern discussion
>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA
>>> Registration begins December 21
>>>
>>> Morons at work….
>>>
>>> - Robert Beaubien
>>>
>>> -DronePlastics.com <http://droneplastics.com/>
>>>
>>> “Dear Algebra, Please stop asking us to find
>>> your X. She's never coming back and don't
>>> ask Y.”
>>>
>>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion
>>> [<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:05 AM
>>> *To:* General pattern discussion
>>> <<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] FAA
>>> Registration begins December 21
>>>
>>> Well, here it is boys and girls. It's
>>> official and starts next Monday. The link
>>> is for the FAQ's of what's happening.
>>>
>>> You only have to register once and you
>>> don't have to individually register all of
>>> your models.
>>>
>>> You must be able to provide proof of
>>> registration and have it on you when flying.
>>>
>>> You must have your Registration # (not going
>>> to be a N number) in your airplane where it
>>> is legible and accessible without the use of
>>> tools (aka under your canopy).
>>>
>>> If you sell a model, you should update your
>>> records. (I don't completely understand this
>>> if we aren't registering all of our models
>>> individually but, OK)
>>>
>>> Registration is $5 but you'll get that back
>>> if you register in the first 30 days, I believe.
>>>
>>> Have a look at the link and prepare to be
>>> upset.....
>>>
>>> <http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/>http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/
>>>
> ...
>
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