[NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21

Peter Vogel vogel.peter at gmail.com
Mon Dec 14 15:27:27 AKST 2015 

You're assuming the AMA agrees with the FAA's actions enough to be helpful
in enforcing those actions.  I suspect that's not the case given the AMA's
response to the FAA's actions:

Today the FAA announced plans for a model aircraft registration process to
begin next week.  AMA was a member of the task force that helped develop
recommendations for this registration rule and argued throughout the
process that registration makes sense at some level but only for those
operating outside the guidance of a community-based organization or flying
for commercial purposes.

Unfortunately, the new FAA registration rule does not include our advice.
The rule is counter to Congress's intent in the Special Rule for Model
Aircraft and makes the registration process an unnecessary burden for all
of our members who have been operating safely for decades.

While we are disappointed with the new registration rule and still maintain
that AMA members should be exempt from registration, the rule is being
implemented over AMA objections. Therefore, we want to provide you with
important information about the registration rule and how AMA members can
comply with the new federal requirements:


   - All aircraft that are flown using a ground control system, such as a
   transmitter, are required to participate. This includes fixed-wing
   aircraft, not just multirotors or drones.
   - Any pilot flying models weighing between .55 pounds (or 250 grams) and
   55 lbs is required to register.
   - You will not be required to register every aircraft individually. You
   only need to register yourself and can affix one registration number to all
   your aircraft.
   - You must mark all aircraft with your registration number. The number
   can be inside the aircraft, such as a battery hatch - but should not
   require tools to access.
   - The FAA plans to launch the online registration website on Monday,
   December 21.
   - There is a $5 fee to register, which is waived if you register within
   the first 30 days.
   - You only need to register once every 3 years.

We are still working out the logistics for this process. Some details are
still being discussed, including:

   - We are seriously discussing with the FAA a system where your AMA
   number could be used as your federal registration number as well. At this
   point, this is only a proposal and details are not yet finalized.
   - At this time, AMA members will not automatically be registered when
   the registration website launches next week.  However, we are in
   conversations with the FAA about the best way to streamline the
   registration process for AMA members going forward.

This is an ongoing process and we will continue to provide updates on the
registration rule. Stay tuned to modelaircraft.org/gov, social media and
your email for the latest news on the registration process.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> I assume this means the AMA will require you to provide proof of federal
> registration and that also means you must be registered to fly at the NAT
> or any other AMA sanctioned event.
>
>
>
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> *On Behalf Of *DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 7:04 PM
> *To:* Dana Beaton; General pattern discussion
>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
>
>
>
> I find it most likely that very little will change.  But....there is the
> principle at state.....another example of an unelected unchecked
> bureaucracy expanding its power and violating law.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> Please pardon any spelling errors or brevity.....Sent on a Sprint Samsung
> Galaxy Note® 3
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Dana Beaton via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: 12/14/2015 18:33 (GMT-05:00)
> To: Dave Burton <burtona at atmc.net>, General pattern discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
>
> Boaters register their pleasure craft, fishermen & hunters buy licenses,
> some folks even register their firearms! So what? Are we going to give up
> our hobby just because of a tiny pice of red tape? Nope! Just keep flying.
> The bad actors who misuse their aircraft will run afoul local authorities
> sure enough, that's their problem, not ours.  We need to continue to set
> the good example though our good flying.  Good flying will carry the day.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> So, just shut up and drink the Kool-Aid?
>
>
>
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf Of *Derek
> Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 6:15 PM
> *To:* Atwood, Mark; General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
>
>
>
> Yep.... yep... yep.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> Hasn’t that private information ship already sailed?  We all register cars
> and think nothing of it.  Heck, we even took classes, got educated, and
> were tested for a license before we could own or operate a car and we have
> to renew that every four years and prove we’re still physically capable
> (minimal proof admittedly).  Personally not sure a gun should be much
> different but don’t want to start that discussion (especially since I’m
> generally pro gun…just not pro redneck hill jack survivalist conspiracy
> theorist) but not registering to fly airplanes?  Really?    We trade more
> info internationally downloading a Facebook app.    Also, we’re already
> registered… just with the AMA, not the USA.  And yes, the AMA is trying to
> make that our ONLY registration, but that’s just a proposal at this point.
>
>
>
>
> Guys… we already do ALL of this.  Our AMA # is on the plane, we follow
> safety rules, blah blah blah.  This is a very minor inconvenience and if
> the AMA proposal to use our AMA# for our registration number it won’t even
> be that.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2015, at 5:15 PM, Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Now is the time for massive civil disobedience!
>
> I don't think I'd register my planes any more than I'd register my guns.
>
> Too bad AMA has no clout like the NRA.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf Of *Robert L.
> Beaubien via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 1:23 PM
> *To:* Scott McHarg; General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
>
>
>
> Morons at work….
>
>
>
> -           Robert Beaubien
>
> -           DronePlastics.com <http://droneplastics.com/>
>
>
>
> “Dear Algebra, Please stop asking us to find your X.  She's never coming
> back and don't ask Y.”
>
>
>
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott McHarg
> via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:05 AM
> *To:* General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
>
>
>
> Well, here it is boys and girls.  It's official and starts next Monday.
> The link is for the FAQ's of what's happening.
>
>
>
>  You only have to register once and you don't have to individually
> register all of your models.
>
> You must be able to provide proof of registration and have it on you when
> flying.
>
> You must have your Registration # (not going to be a N number) in your
> airplane where it is legible and accessible without the use of tools (aka
> under your canopy).
>
> If you sell a model, you should update your records. (I don't completely
> understand this if we aren't registering all of our models individually
> but, OK)
>
> Registration is $5 but you'll get that back if you register in the first
> 30 days, I believe.
>
>
>
> Have a look at the link and prepare to be upset.....
>
>
>
> http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/
>
>
>
> *Scott A. McHarg*
>
> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
>
> Texas A&M University
>
> PPL - ASEL
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