[NSRCA-discussion] F17 barrel roll

[Derek Koopowitz]

>From CIAM… I will have these posted on the NSRCA website shortly.

From:  NSRCA-discussion on behalf of NSRCA List
Reply-To:  Gorden Seeling, NSRCA List
Date:  Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 5:43 AM
To:  Randy Forbus, NSRCA List
Subject:  Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F17 barrel roll

were ru getting the p 17 & f 17 power point from??? thanks gordy.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Randy Forbus via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
Barrel roll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


From: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on behalf of Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 12:35 PM
To: NSRCA List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F17 barrel roll
 
I'm not sure , but after 100 years or so, it seems that the barrel roll may have a new definition.  This appears to require that the model skid around the entire rotation, which is not really how a barrel roll is typically done as far as I know.  I believe that you would normally do one mainly with simultaneous pitch and roll inputs, and maybe touches of rudder to keep that coordinated, in much the same  way as  a coordinated turn would be done in a full scale aircraft to keep the turn & bank indicator's ball centered. As a result, it would present itself as if the aircraft were traveling along the inside of a cylinder with both of it's main gear wheels always in contact with its inner surface, hence the name barrel roll.  Executed this way, you could do that Bob Hoover demonstration of keeping a glass of some liquid perfectly still, resting on top of the instrument panel.

This definition seems to be more of a variation on an integrated roll, and as a result you would expect to see the tail pointed at perhaps a 45 deg yaw angle at one point (when roll angle = 90 deg), and the nose yawed at you 45 deg at another (when roll angle = 180 deg).  And I think that as a result it would also mean that the wing tip in the direction of the roll would always be in contact with the inner surface of the imaginary cylinder, instead of both wheels.  Am I visualizing that correctly?  It seems like it would be tricky to judge accurately.

Ed

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 23:10:49 -0700
To: underdw at gmail.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F17 barrel roll
From: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org

Hopefully this helps…




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Reply-To: Daniel Underkofler, NSRCA List
Date: Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 6:21 PM
To: NSRCA List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] F17 barrel roll

In F17 there is a cryptic aresti symbol that is described in the figure description as a barrel roll.  Will somebody please describe this in more detail and what control inputs will obtain the required result? 

Thanks, Dan
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