[NSRCA-discussion] Unknowns

Tue Sep 23 07:16:14 AKDT 2014

After reading all these e-mails I will consider doing the same in my
contest next year in RC Barnstormers in Kansas City.  Looks like will be
fun.  It will be easier for me to do it since we can start flying early in
the morning.

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:55 AM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

>  I set this up 4 years ago as a fun event for Sunday morning at our fall
> contest here in Albuquerque. Scott McHarg has been designing the sequences
> for us since the inception of the event. The sequence is designed to be a
> K-Factor of about 55 in 17 maneuvers with the intent being a difficulty
> level between Advanced and Masters. Landings and takeoffs do not count.
> Each year Scott sends the sequence to our perennial Chief Judge- Richard
> Lindberg. This year we passed out the sequences at the Saturday night party
> to  the six participants( 4 Masters and 2 Advanced). There is no additional
> charge to enter and the only prize is the winner gets his name on the
> perpetual trophy.
> An important part of the event is that we handicap the classes. Results
> are calculated by determining the weighted average maneuver score and
> adding 0.5 points for Advanced. 1.5 points for Intermediate and 2.5 points
> for Sportsman. FAI and Masters have no bonus. While It might seem too
> difficult for Sportsman and Intermediate, we did have a second place finish
> by an Intermediate pilot a couple of years ago and this year it was won by
> an Advanced pilot, both placings helped by the handicapping.
> John
> On 9/23/2014 7:15 AM, Jeff and Claire via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>
>  The Watermmelon Cup Unknown is an annual event in the fall Albuquerque
> contest.  John Gayer (who developed it 4 years ago) was CD should be able
> to describe how it comes together each year.  Not having the skills yet to
> attempt it, I can say it sure is fun to watch the guys prepare for it
> starting on Saturday evening when they get the schedule, and then watch
> each flight as it unfolds first thing Sunday morning.  And this year they
> did it in a 15-20 mph cross wind.  Avoiding a zero seems top priority and
> each flyer did a great job.  I'm hoping to give it a shot next year.
>
> Jeff Worsham
>
>
>
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf Of *james woodward
> via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:30 AM
> *To:* Don Ramsey; General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Unknowns
>
>
>
> Hi Don - looks like a good challenge.  Can you describe how this was
> done?  Was this a special round open to everyone, or was this for one
> class?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> Want to see the Unknowns they flew in Albuquerque last weekend? Looks like
> a difficult sequence.  I’ve got it posted on the contest page at
>
> http://pages.suddenlink.net/donramsey
>
>
>
> Don
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> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> *On Behalf Of *John Ford via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Monday, September 08, 2014 6:58 AM
> *To:* w d; General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snaps
>
>
>
> Hard to believe no discussion on a snap thread…that's a first.
>
>
>
> I watched the French Connection video with interest since they were very
> much at the top of the airshow list at around the time I was into
> full-scale aerobatics.
>
> We always figured that FC was able to pull off the "snap-on-the-deck"
> stunt because of the CAP-10's airfoil, which was closer to a glider airfoil
> than to an acro airfoil. Hence the deep wallow before the autorotation that
> results in the displacement of the flight path…to their advantage in this
> case. They used to do the two-plane formation snap on take-off, which
> always impressed me to no end.
>
> If you watch Patty Wagstaff do a snap, with a thin, fully-symetrical
> airfoil and added full-span stall strips, her snaps become virtually
> identical to the FAI "twinkle snap". A Pitts S-1 is somewhere in between.
> The Citabria, needing full "con" ailerons, will pause for a split second,
> then autorotate in a flash with surprisingly little displacement. So 10
> different planes will all autorotate differently, some imperceptibly.
> Accordingly, many full-scale pilots snap with ailerons "pro" instead or
> with the traditional ailerons "con". Heck, most full-scale competitors get
> 10's on spins and they are literally flying/slipping the plane down the
> spin…never having stalled at all.
>
>
>
> So for pattern, if it slows down for a micro-second, and the tail
> describes a cone, I call it good, even though I still can't do it that well
> myself...
>
>
>
> John
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>
> On Sep 7, 2014, at 1:25 PM, w d via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>
> well since masters is know taking on traditional FAI maneuvers" rollers
> and such".. the twinkle snap will become the standard in AMA ...I will be
> doing one in the upline snap from now on...
>
> gary
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Chuck Hochhalter via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> Well Don, that really didn't fire up a lot of enthusiastic discussion. I
> guess after Nats it's don't ask don't tell.
>
>
>
> C
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 6, 2014, at 6:28 PM, flyintexanmark at gmail.com via NSRCA-discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>  Very revealing. Thanks Don.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Mark Hunt
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> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Snaps
> Date: Sat, Sep 6, 2014 3:57 PM
>
>
>
> I just watched CPLR and Mayer doing snaps on video. The entire video is
> their snaps.  If you are interested, here’s the link
> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1443881&page=2
>
> about half way down the page.  A good exercise is to watch both videos and
> record your thoughts. Then get a thin piece of straight wire and overlay
> the track of the models when they snap. See if your views change. The
> ability to replay a short segment is a help.
>
>
>
> Especially watch the snaps at 1:40 for CPLR and about 2:00 for Mayer. What
> do you think? Note the post just after Mayer’s video.
>
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