[NSRCA-discussion] Unknowns

Tue Sep 23 05:15:42 AKDT 2014

The Watermmelon Cup Unknown is an annual event in the fall Albuquerque contest.  John Gayer (who developed it 4 years ago) was CD should be able to describe how it comes together each year.  Not having the skills yet to attempt it, I can say it sure is fun to watch the guys prepare for it starting on Saturday evening when they get the schedule, and then watch each flight as it unfolds first thing Sunday morning.  And this year they did it in a 15-20 mph cross wind.  Avoiding a zero seems top priority and each flyer did a great job.  I'm hoping to give it a shot next year. 

Jeff Worsham   

From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of james woodward via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:30 AM
To: Don Ramsey; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Unknowns

Hi Don - looks like a good challenge.  Can you describe how this was done?  Was this a special round open to everyone, or was this for one class?  

Thanks,

Jim 

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

Want to see the Unknowns they flew in Albuquerque last weekend? Looks like a difficult sequence.  I’ve got it posted on the contest page at 

http://pages.suddenlink.net/donramsey

Don

From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Ford via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 6:58 AM
To: w d; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snaps

Hard to believe no discussion on a snap thread…that's a first. 

I watched the French Connection video with interest since they were very much at the top of the airshow list at around the time I was into full-scale aerobatics. 

We always figured that FC was able to pull off the "snap-on-the-deck" stunt because of the CAP-10's airfoil, which was closer to a glider airfoil than to an acro airfoil. Hence the deep wallow before the autorotation that results in the displacement of the flight path…to their advantage in this case. They used to do the two-plane formation snap on take-off, which always impressed me to no end.

If you watch Patty Wagstaff do a snap, with a thin, fully-symetrical airfoil and added full-span stall strips, her snaps become virtually identical to the FAI "twinkle snap". A Pitts S-1 is somewhere in between. The Citabria, needing full "con" ailerons, will pause for a split second, then autorotate in a flash with surprisingly little displacement. So 10 different planes will all autorotate differently, some imperceptibly. Accordingly, many full-scale pilots snap with ailerons "pro" instead or with the traditional ailerons "con". Heck, most full-scale competitors get 10's on spins and they are literally flying/slipping the plane down the spin…never having stalled at all. 

So for pattern, if it slows down for a micro-second, and the tail describes a cone, I call it good, even though I still can't do it that well myself...

John

On Sep 7, 2014, at 1:25 PM, w d via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

well since masters is know taking on traditional FAI maneuvers" rollers and such".. the twinkle snap will become the standard in AMA ...I will be doing one in the upline snap from now on...

gary  

On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Chuck Hochhalter via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

Well Don, that really didn't fire up a lot of enthusiastic discussion. I guess after Nats it's don't ask don't tell.

C

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On Sep 6, 2014, at 6:28 PM, flyintexanmark at gmail.com via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

Very revealing. Thanks Don.

Regards,

Mark Hunt

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From: "Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Snaps
Date: Sat, Sep 6, 2014 3:57 PM

I just watched CPLR and Mayer doing snaps on video. The entire video is their snaps.  If you are interested, here’s the link http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1443881 <http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1443881&page=2> &page=2

about half way down the page.  A good exercise is to watch both videos and record your thoughts. Then get a thin piece of straight wire and overlay the track of the models when they snap. See if your views change. The ability to replay a short segment is a help.

Especially watch the snaps at 1:40 for CPLR and about 2:00 for Mayer. What do you think? Note the post just after Mayer’s video.

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