[NSRCA-discussion] 2015 proposed Advanced maneuvers

[Dale Olstinske]

The sequence committee did not set out to create sequences that would 
require planes with more capability than anyone is using now. Our 
opinion is the new Advanced and Masters sequences are no more power 
hungry or demanding on equipment than the current sequences. In contests 
around here in CA at least, I don't see any planes in the Advanced or 
Masters field not fully capable of flying either sequence.

Dale

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From: "Jas via NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
To: "John Ford" <jsf106 at gmail.com>; "General pattern discussion" 
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: 7/28/2014 8:45:27 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2015 proposed Advanced maneuvers

>Having flown the Integral past it's 'F3A' prime, it is easily still an 
>F3A capable plane, even through F. Sure it is small by today's 
>standards, it'll do any of the F stuff with ease.
>When I get back to the field I'll go through the new patterns again 
>with a Vanquish and a 125 MythoS for the guys that are flying Advanced 
>(I am curious how the planes will do in Masters too) but there isn't 
>anything in either sequence that (IMO) can't be done. Even the KE 
>corner should be fine with both planes.
>And Zach (2nd in Intermediate) found a great deal on a RTF Griffon at 
>the Nats. I couldn't convince him that his Vanquish was fine through 
>Masters (even F3A P)... must not be cool enough lol.
>
>Sent from my iP
>
>On Jul 28, 2014, at 10:30 AM, John Ford via NSRCA-discussion 
><nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>>Curious about what "average" equipment might be.
>>Other than an exceptionally beaten, old, poorly-maintained, dusty, 
>>wrinkled, barely airworthy plane that one might find used, is it 
>>really possible to buy anything that isn't currently competitive?
>>
>>Would a venerable 9-year-old Integral or Abbra, with an original 
>>8-year-old Pletty EVO, an APC prop, a Castle 80HV-V1 and a Zippy 20C 
>>battery qualify as an "average" plane nowadays?…but not still be able 
>>to get through the new Advanced in the hands of a pilot who can only 
>>practice one day a week?
>>
>>I can't see how it couldn't…
>>
>>John
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>>On Jul 28, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Chuck Hochhalter via NSRCA-discussion 
>><nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>>>I disagree with average not being good enough to compete with. I have 
>>>flown and competed successfully with avg equipment.
>>>
>>>One can also purchased very good used equipment from top pilots that 
>>>has "better than avg" stuff in it often.
>>>
>>>Chuck
>>>
>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>On Jul 27, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Gary Switala via NSRCA-discussion 
>>><nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>
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>>>>
>>>>     My comments on the new  Advance schedule. I have 20 + flights on 
>>>>it with both other pattern guys and club members observing. The 
>>>>comments of the club members are:  “Why is everything upside down?“; 
>>>>“ makes no sense to me“; from the pattern guys  “ugly, damn ugly”;  
>>>>and “WTF.”  From the flights I have put in I see that it’s not for 
>>>>the average Advanced flyer with an average plane with an average 
>>>>motor with an average battery set and with an average ESC . So looks 
>>>>like more $$$$ needs to be spent.  Some of the maneuvers are bad 
>>>>enough, but the way they are arranged the true difficulty in their 
>>>>relationship to proceeding and succeeding maneuvers are not taken 
>>>>into account.  As in # 5 to #6 and #9 to #10 to #11. I also do not 
>>>>understand why the figure 9 is only a K Factor of 1?? And why is the 
>>>>Shark’s tooth given the same K as the one we’re doing now. The new 
>>>>proposed one is an entirely different maneuver and considerably more 
>>>>difficult as proposed.  This is a descending maneuver at 45 degs. 
>>>>doing  2/2 reverse rolls  trying to slow the model down and hold a 
>>>>straight line and have enough speed and power to get through the 
>>>>outside Avalanche.  I also take exception with the way the Hourglass 
>>>>has been butchered. It would make more sense replacing it with the 
>>>>Standing Eight starting in the center with options as it would add 
>>>>some of the missing gracefulness needed.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>Caution
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