[NSRCA-discussion] FW: Advanced Maneuvers for 2015

Fri Aug 1 15:14:39 AKDT 2014

I agree with all of you in regards to an inexpensive plane does not mean it's incapable. I for one last year came in second out of 9 at a meet in masters flying against multi thousand dollar planes. I fly an Extreme Flight Vanquish with a $20 Solar Rudder servo, and a $120.00 ESC. Heck, when I was browsing through the Worlds pics from last year I seen several people were flying Vanquishe's. If someone has enough confidence to fly at a world's level flying a lower dollar setup, than it must not be too bad!   

Matt Finley D4VP 

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From: Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion
Date: Fri, Aug 1, 2014 5:52 PM
To: NSRCA;
Subject:Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: Advanced Maneuvers for 2015

Richard  Bohn's Intermediate class winning Mythos was a 120 sized plane running 8s packs. So a full 2 meter airplane is also not required.

Jon

On Aug 1, 2014 4:23 PM, Bill Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion  wrote:
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> Jas and Lucky nail this...  Greyson, 3rd in Intermediate, used the same package from F3A - Monolog, HiMax motor, and Castle ESC.   So, at least half of the top 6 in our first two NATS classes didn't have thousands invested.  In addition, you have someone to call - Mike Mueller - and that means a whole lot to me.  The Monolog is also constructed with more traditional materials that allowed Greyson to "help" with quite a bit of the assembly.
> Bill
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> From: lucky macy via NSRCA-discussion 
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> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: Advanced Maneuvers for 2015
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> I find it reassuringly healthy for the sport that in Advanced this year at the Nats, Kevin Duncan was able to win two rounds and come in third overall and ONLY 39 TOTAL points behind the winner after 6 rounds while competing with an 'entry' level 2 meter BJ Craft Monolog with the 'entry' level MiMax motor against substantially more expensive equipment.
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> If I was advising someone to buy a pattern plane today that wasn't flying masters and above I couldn't justify to them anything more than that same 2m Monolog/himax motor combination from F3A based on day to day ruggedness and contest results. 
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> It just works really really well.
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> lucky
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> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:14:19 -0400
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advanced Maneuvers for 2015
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> Hi guys, let me jump in and just say that pattern flying is a hobby and a lot like golf a lot of people like having the latest and greatest as a matter of personal satisfaction rather than need and that is ok, it's not a reflection on what is required to succeed in the event.  Some get a lot of pleasure owning a new Oxai plane every year just because and some like seeing how well they can do on a small budget and these are side issues to the event and completely unrelated to how well someone will place in a contest.  Can an ugly stik win advanced at the NATS, I'm sure not, but most any hand me down 2 meter in the right hands with practice and some coaching most certainly can.  I would even argue that the intermediate pilot who buys the latest / greatest FAI plane design is at a distinct disadvantage in his class as those planes are optimized for maneuvers that are not in any AMA class and is probably more difficult to fly overall than an older design would be.  The extra side area and canalizers are great for rolling loops etc but can make things more challenging in a plain old crosswind doing a simple cuban eight.  My point is that there is a fallacy that a newer design will benefit everyone in every class, when the opposite might well be true.  However, if someone likes having the latest and greatest in intermediate or whatever class because they like nice stuff, go for it because it's a hobby in the end and however you get satisfaction is up to you.  A 5-6 year old design will most certainly be competitive.
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> Chris
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> On 7/30/2014 6:42 PM, Del R via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
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>> Hit send to early.. Meant to type if I return to precision aerobatics it is with the expectation of investing in a new bird and all new equipment that will not need any upgrade for 5 or 6 years.. Maybe I am deluding myself to have such expectations. Course I know some go through 2 or more airplanes a season.. That was never me due..
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>>     Del 
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Chuck Hochhalter via NSRCA-discussion
>>> To: Gary Switala ; General pattern discussion
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 3:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advanced Maneuvers for 2015
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>>> Setup makes pattern easier, a poorly setup plane avg or state of the art is still a poor setup plane. But, I contend it will still be capable of flying the maneuvers in the advanced sequence.
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>>> There is nothing g in any of the new sequences that needs anything more than what was required in last years sequences.
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>>> Chuck
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>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jul 30, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Gary Switala via NSRCA-discussion  wrote:
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>>>>       Average is more than just the equipment and  time given to practice. Critiquing from a good knowledgeable coach is a must. Some of us do not have this luxury. You can practice all you want and think you’re great, but without proper critiquing you’ll be in for a shock at a contest. You also have to look at the setup of the plane,  Motor thrust, up, down, right, left? Wing incidence, proper placement of the battery, act. Then there’s  the proper trim, and this done in combo with getting the proper setup working to get the trim perfect. Now we move on to the radio. With the plane trimmed we still, in some cases, need to have the radio manipulate our inputs to hide unwanted characteristics. This is Mixing. Sometimes this goes well and sometime it does not and takes time. Then the Expo and DR, and when and how and what percentages to set them up in the radio to work to your advantage. In some cases we move back and forth with Thrust, weight balance, adding weight to a wing panel and so on. Not plug and play. Setting  up the ESC also not plug and play. Prop choices APC, Carbon what diameter what pitch, etc. I’ve flown with some guys that don’t even know on how to set up their timer on the radio.  If you’re flying an average plane and have all this worked out to a 100% you have a killing plane. If you have a new out of the box high dollar ARF and have only worked out some or none of the described issues, you do not. 
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