[NSRCA-discussion] CIAM Meeting Representation

[mike mueller]

+1.  The NSRCA should handle this if the AMA will not.
 And Happy Birthday Mark

--- On Wed, 3/13/13, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:


From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CIAM Meeting Representation
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 10:02 AM


Correct, it's $50.

But we're making this more than it needs to be.  We're talking about $1000/annually that's needed to send a rep to the CIAM meetings.  With our membership that's less than a $1 a person.  This should almost be part of our charter.  I realize that AMA pattern has a life outside of FAI, but AMA Pattern was born from FAI (not the other way around) and will truly lose it's direction without it.  Maybe not immediately, but over time.

Participation in the FAI program is necessary to continue to get AMA funding to help support our USA team…something that I do think the AMA should, and will continue to do provided that there is adequate support.  It's almost a separate issue.

-M
Mark Atwood
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On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com<mailto:jonlowe at aol.com>> wrote:

The current cost of the FAI stamp is $50.  Just call Colleen Pierce at AMA and she will sign you up!!
Jon
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John,
The last F3A team trial cost $170 per flier which I beleive was over and above Nats entry.  The number of pilots that sign up for the trial is what AMA uses as part of the formula to see what teams they will support for World Championships.  They also use performance at previous WC's in the formula.  Mark Atwood has the details.  I beleive Mark told me that if Andrew had not made the podium at the last WC, that we would have fallen below the threshold for AMA support for this year's WC.

I will check with AMA on the cost of the FAI stamp.
Jon
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If it's a numbers thing what if everybody just paid the for an FAI stamp.  I
used to buy one long ago when I flew in Team selection events.  I do not
think it is very expensive.  Anybody know what it the currently costs?


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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org?>] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:12 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CIAM Meeting Representation

We can run off and vilify the AMA over this, but I think some of the reality
is that there are soooooo many niche's in the FAI program that trying to
determine how to completely support them all is financially impractical in
this day and age.  Yes, we're one of the pillars, but our total
participation at the FAI level is actually VERY low.  I think a total of 10
people this past cycle.  That in itself is a problem, but regardless, it
become difficult for the AMA to support sending a rep for every FAI program
that has 10 paying participants.    I just checked.. .we had 11 participants
in 2012 and 11 in 2010.  Control line scale had about the same.

We should strongly consider trying to work this into the NSRCA budget in
some way.  It's important to us collectively, regardless of the total number
that actually pay for an FAI stamp.  They lead the program that we follow,
and establish all the rules for our international competitions.  It's
important that we (the NSRCA) have a voice at the table.

Just my $0.02


Mark Atwood
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On Mar 12, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Derek Koopowitz
<derekkoopowitz at gmail.com<mailto:derekkoopowitz at gmail.com><mailto:derekkoopowitz at gmail.com<mailto:derekkoopowitz at gmail.com?>>> wrote:

Airfare alone is about $1100 and then there is food/accommodations for 3
nights, train fare from Zurich to Lausanne and back... I would estimate at
least another $800 everything else.

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Peter Vogel
<vogel.peter at gmail.com<mailto:vogel.peter at gmail.com><mailto:vogel.peter at gmail.com<mailto:vogel.peter at gmail.com?>>> wrote:
How much would you need?

And Ron, I think that's exactly what it is.  It's part of why I voted
against Bob Brown, he said as much in his campaign statement...

Peter+



On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Derek Koopowitz
<derekkoopowitz at gmail.com<mailto:derekkoopowitz at gmail.com><mailto:derekkoopowitz at gmail.com<mailto:derekkoopowitz at gmail.com?>>> wrote:
That is true, Bill.  I was sent a letter by the AMA stating that travel
expenses would not be paid for and that I could attend if I paid for myself
or the NSRCA paid for me to attend.

I can only believe that this will only further isolate us (F3A) from the
rest of the world.  Yes, I'm still the rep to CIAM but face-to-face meetings
accomplish so much more than through email.  I had built up a great
relationship with the movers/shakers in F3A and now I feel that it will be
in jeopardy.


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Bill's Email
<silentav8r at cox.net<mailto:silentav8r at cox.net><mailto:silentav8r at cox.net<mailto:silentav8r at cox.net?>>> wrote:
Thought you folks might be interested what is going on in the soaring side
of the FAI world. A proposal to condense several events, soaring being one
of them, has been submitted. The soaring community in the US is taking
notice that AMA is not funding the individual area reps to go to the
meeting, so the soaring folks have decided to try to fund it themselves.
Here's the thread:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=24403409&postcount=1

This is the document that has gotten them to do this:

http://lomcovak.cz/wp_eng/f3b/2013/03/f3b-world-championship-in-future-cance
led/

F3A is mentioned, but only in that it should remain as is. F3M is talked
about as a target for elimination. Again, this is a proposal submitted for
consideration.

Thought you might find it interesting. I recall reading that our US F3A CIAM
rep was also told by AMA that they would not fund his travel.

Bill in OC


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