[NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging cert test
Atwood, Mark
atwoodm at paragon-inc.com
Fri Jul 12 05:02:03 AKDT 2013
I nominate Gary to author any and all changes to the test!!
Mark Atwood
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On Jul 12, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Whodaddy Whodaddy <whodaddy10 at gmail.com<mailto:whodaddy10 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Sure ... I'm easy .. Mostly .. Just trying to make an action out of most of the apparent dissatisfaction with the process..
Neat thing is ill be in Jon's ear about it till he gets tired of hearing me .. That I can promise..
;)
Gary
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On Jul 12, 2013, at 7:35 AM, "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com<mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>> wrote:
Hey Gary,
Can I alter that request slightly? Can we make the RE certification test multiple choice, and leave the original as is? I say this because the first time through, this really does force you to read the book completely…which is the goal. The re-cert should be designed to focus on changes to the rules, not the full body of rules. I'm pretty sure by your 5th time through you know the 15 degree rule.
Mark Atwood
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On Jul 12, 2013, at 8:15 AM, w d <whodaddy10 at gmail.com<mailto:whodaddy10 at gmail.com><mailto:whodaddy10 at gmail.com>> wrote:
et all NSRCA board members.
AS a MEMBER of the NSRCA I make an official request proposing that the cert test be changed to ALL multiple choice questions. And that all fill in the blank questions should be eliminated from the online certification exam.. Fill in the blank questions should only be allowed for live in person seminars.
Reading the various posts on the lists.The fill in the are the sticking point for most of the members..
Gary Courtney
NSRCA #3902
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com<mailto:derekkoopowitz at gmail.com><mailto:derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>> wrote:
That's what I'm thinking... 2000 words at least.
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On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:06 PM, Keith Hoard <klhoard at hotmail.com<mailto:klhoard at hotmail.com><mailto:klhoard at hotmail.com>> wrote:
I think if y'all keep complaining, Derek will change the test to free response Essay.
Keith Hoard
Collierville, TN
On Jul 11, 2013, at 23:56, "Jeff and Claire" <jeffclaire at cableone.net<mailto:jeffclaire at cableone.net><mailto:jeffclaire at cableone.net>> wrote:
That's what I did- downloaded the book. Those fill in the blank questions were word for word right out of the book. First year in pattern, so it took me two hours but I learned a lot in the process and passed it on the first try.
Jeff
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Guys, this isn't this hard. It's open book! If you download the rulebook, and just read it to find the answer, it's easy. I can't figure it what y'alls problem is. Heck, the rule book gives you the spelling too!
Jon
w d <whodaddy10 at gmail.com<mailto:whodaddy10 at gmail.com><mailto:whodaddy10 at gmail.com>> wrote:
to whom ever
some of the answers on the cert test are lacking in thought and are just down right bull $&^+... exact words, spelling,, Im not an english major i speak engrish i shouldnt have to spell it
Gary
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Ken Velez <kvelez at rochester.rr.com<mailto:kvelez at rochester.rr.com><mailto:kvelez at rochester.rr.com>> wrote:
I was doing a 5hr test flight into Little Rock AR on one of my customers acft and while enroute I took my iPad and took the test at FL430. I failed the test with a 74% do to my choice of words in some of the blanks. Rule book not available at the time I took the test. Now I have to re do it. Maybe if at the end of the test it would give you the chance to verify or correct the questions that were not answered correctly instead of having to take the whole test again, won't be as annoying.
Just my thought.
Ken
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"Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com<mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com><mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>> wrote:
I just took the AMA test (and passed thankfully!). How long before the site list is updated to reflect that?
Regarding the test itself, I was able to pass with 85% from memory. The questions missed though were extremely annoying, in that it was a matter of trying to guess the correct sequence of words. I think the single word fill in the blanks were ok. It's the 5 word sequences that include trivial words like "to" that seem to need revising.
Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President
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On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Astropattern <astropattern at yahoo.com<mailto:astropattern at yahoo.com><mailto:astropattern at yahoo.com><mailto:astropattern at yahoo.com<http://yahoo.com><mailto:astropattern at yahoo.com>>> wrote:
I agree with Derek that it's tough to set a stand alone test that everyone agrees with and that isn't so tough that it discourages participation.
As time goes by, and the general level of judging gets better (or the downgrades become increasingly common knowledge and well-understood), there will be a need to raise the bar on the certification process and someone will need to put in some hard work to push us to the next level.
John
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On Jul 11, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Charlie Rock <charlierock at me.com<mailto:charlierock at me.com><mailto:charlierock at me.com><mailto:charlierock at me.com<http://me.com><mailto:charlierock at me.com>>> wrote:
I totally agree with John on this one!!i for one glad no class at AMA Hq to qualify for judging, but format leaves a lot to be desired!!
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it!!!
Mark Twain
On Jul 11, 2013, at 5:59 PM, John Ford <astropattern at yahoo.com<mailto:astropattern at yahoo.com><mailto:astropattern at yahoo.com><mailto:astropattern at yahoo.com<http://yahoo.com><mailto:astropattern at yahoo.com>>> wrote:
I did them both…the system worked OK…but still disappointed with the format…you can know what you are talking about but still fail the test if you don't use the exact words. The test probably forces people to read the book that would otherwise never do first off, but as a re-certification test, it is more a memory puzzle than anything else.
Better than sitting in a hot room for an hour in a sweaty t-shirt at the end of a day, though.
John
On Jul 11, 2013, at 12:10 PM, Michael S. Harrison <drmikedds at sbcglobal.net<mailto:drmikedds at sbcglobal.net><mailto:drmikedds at sbcglobal.net><mailto:drmikedds at sbcglobal.net<http://sbcglobal.net><mailto:drmikedds at sbcglobal.net>>> wrote:
I just finished the AMA recertification test. It was a huge Pain in the A.
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I am having no luck. Am I certified? Can someone look for me?
thanks
Mike
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging
Because AMA and FAI are on different rules cycles, a year apart. Happened several cycles ago. AMA Masters and Advanced sequences and rules changed for this year. FAI changed in 2012.
Jon
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Thanks Jon, but how does that happen?
C
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On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com<mailto:jonlowe at aol.com><mailto:jonlowe at aol.com><mailto:jonlowe at aol.com<http://aol.com><mailto:jonlowe at aol.com>>> wrote:
Chuck,
I was partially incorrect. You show as current for FAI, but not AMA.
For all,
As Derek said, you MUST sign in to the site to see the judges list. You do NOT have to be an NSRCA member to get a login. On the pull down, you can sort by various means (last name, district, etc).
Keith,
It's only a flesh wound...
Jon
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Time for some Monty python quotes.
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Uh, huh . . . feeling oppressed yet?
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Ok I don't see where that is Jon. I see a drop down on the top that leads to the wrong list like John but nothing on the right. Am I on the right site?????
Also I thought it had to be everyother year like Chuck and I certified before the Nats last year. It's every year now?
Thanks, Mike
Mike Mueller
F3Aunlimited
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On the right hand side of the screen there is a pull down menu where you select the Certified Judges list. Not real obvious, I will admit.
Jon
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Scott/Derek
If you go to the website and click on judging/certification/certified judges list you get this list “This list will produce a list of all registered members of the website that have verified their email addresses. This is not a list of NSRCA members.”’
What you do not get is a list of certified judges. For that you must go to Lists/membership lists. ????????????
John
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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging
There are still quite a few people attending the NATS who have not taken the judging certification test. You are REQUIRED to be certified to judge at the NATS. If you are not certified, that means you miss a judging session and will lose your highest round.
Please take the time, if you have not done so to go to the NSRCA site and complete the judging test...
Arch
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