[NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates
Ronald Van Putte
vanputter at gmail.com
Thu Feb 28 07:13:47 AKST 2013
For EVERYBODY!
Ron
On Feb 28, 2013, at 8:57 AM, mike mueller wrote:
> Brings a whole new meaning to the unknowns. Mike
>
> --- On Wed, 2/27/13, Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2013, 5:35 PM
>
> Where's my hardhat? RVP's gonna fly FAI!
> Jon
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputter at gmail.com>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 5:26 pm
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates
>
> I'd be glad to "participate" formally in FAI during the next F3A team selection
> year. Does that mean I'd actually have to fly the F3A maneuvers?
>
> Just askin'
>
> Ron
>
> On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>
> > That may offset the revenue, but I really think we need to get the FAI guys
> (Myself included) to participate formally. We're already at the contest. We
> all aspire to be on the team even though most will never get there. Supporting
> it should be part of the program. At the end of the day, that's why we compete
> at every level, but certainly at FAI.
> >
> >
> > Mark Atwood
> > Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President
> > 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
> > Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Direct: 440-229-2502
> > Fax: 440.684.3102
> > mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com> |
> www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Archie Stafford <astafford at md.metrocast.net<mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > Another option is to adjust the entry fee for all classes. Maybe 25.00 per and
> all of that goes to the team. Would be easy enough to do.
> >
> > Arch
> >
> >
> > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com<mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>>
> > Date:
> > To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates
> >
> >
> > As a side to that…
> >
> > We need to have a serious discussion about the team selection and our
> "Official" participation levels. FAI GUYS!!!! We NEED many more of you to sign
> up for the team selection event (be it part of the Nats or otherwise in 2014) if
> we're going to continue to get the same level of funding that we get now from
> the AMA. To do that, I think we need to drastically lower the price tag. The
> price tag ($170) is reminiscent of holding a separate event and paying for the
> judges to come for 4 days and judge. That's no longer an expense burden that
> the selection contest bears.
> >
> > The AMA has made "participation" a critical point factor in determining the
> level of financial support that each team receives. We don't get a lot of
> money, but they do pay for the World Championship entry fees ($900 /pilot, $500
> /team manager, $150 /caller ) which is a lot, and they help with some of the
> hotel bill. It's a fraction of what we need, but it's still a big help. For
> this year's WC's it's about $7800 of the $60K we'll need. But if we don't
> increase our participation, we'll lose it.
> >
> > This past Nats we had 30+ FAI flyers… but less than 10 participated in the
> team trial….meaning they paid the entry fee. Admittedly, I was one who did not.
> I finished 11th, but that's a far cry from top 3, so spending $170 "Just to
> participate" didn't seem like a good value proposition. But if we can lower the
> cost to say $30, or something reasonable, then I would participate simply to
> support the team (that's where the entry fee money goes by the way…all of it)
> especially knowing that it will motivate the AMA to continue their funding.
> >
> > I'll hammer this home more next year when it's more relevant, but thought I'd
> chime in now :)
> >
> > Please feel free to return to your regularly scheduled conversation.
> >
> >
> > Mark Atwood
> > Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President
> > 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
> > Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Direct: 440-229-2502
> > Fax: 440.684.3102
> > mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com><mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>
> | www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com><http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Budd Engineering <jerry at buddengineering.com<mailto:jerry at buddengineering.com><mailto:jerry at buddengineering.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Or a LOT easier because it's gotten so small. It's occurred to some of us
> over the past several years that you could hold the US Team Trials at a good
> local field and still have an as good, if not better, team selection contest as
> we do now.
> >
> > Incidentally, when I mentioned this to a couple of the AMA people at the show
> in Ontario last month it was made quite clear that the "powers that be" in AMA
> have absolutely no interest in allowing the Team Selection contest to ever be
> held anywhere but at the AMA site in Muncie. Go Figure.
> >
> > -0
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:59 AM, "Dave Burton" <burtona at atmc.net<mailto:burtona at atmc.net><mailto:burtona at atmc.net>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Amen +2
> >
> > As pattern participation continues to shrink the possibility of having the
> resources to hold the Nats at a different venue gets even more difficult.
> > Dave
> >
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>]
> On Behalf Of John Fuqua
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:54 AM
> > To: 'General pattern discussion'
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >
> > AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>]
> On Behalf Of Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:43 AM
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >
> > +1
> > Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "mike mueller" <mups1953 at yahoo.com<mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com><mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com>>
> > To: "Archie Stafford" <astafford at md.metrocast.net<mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net><mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net>>,
> "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:36:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> > OK I want to play devil's advocate.
> > What is all this talk about an off site Nats about?
> > Is it that we need to move it around to allow new people to participate? Or is
> it the changes to the schedule that basically takes away a half day of practice?
> > In my opinion it's not that big of a deal. Moving the Nats off site would be a
> huge endeavor. Who has the resources, energy and financial where with all to
> achieve this?
> > I doubt that we could pull it off. Unless a lot of effort was put forth to
> make it happen.
> > I think the AMA has supported us in a decent manner.
> > Also look at the current BOD of the AMA and you'll see that pattern is well
> represented with more than our share. We also have Muncie employess who are
> pattern fliers. We have friends in high places and I think we're doing pretty
> well.
> > I'm luck enough to go to the Muncie facility for 3 contests every year. I'm
> amazed at the support we get from the AMA staff every time we go there.
> > Things could be a lot worse. Thanks, Mike Mueller
> >
> > --- On Mon, 2/25/13, Archie Stafford <astafford at md.metrocast.net<mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net><mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net>>
> wrote:
> >
> > From: Archie Stafford <astafford at md.metrocast.net<mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net><mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net>>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 8:44 PM
> > IMAC has been warned. They already lost one day from a few years ago.
> >
> > Also, years ago I would've agreed. Today though the AMA has a lot more park
> flyers and sport flyers than any other discipline . Most of my club, with 86
> members now flies smaller electrics. Many of the younger kids would rather fly
> foamies than anything. Pattern, IMAC, and scale don't do anything for them. The
> younger members are just different. 3D and helis are much more exciting to them.
> Times have changed.
> >
> > Arch
> >
> >
> > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com<mailto:rcpilot at wowway.com><mailto:rcpilot at wowway.com>>
> > Date:
> > To: vicenterc at comcast.net<,'General?'>mailto:vicenterc at comcast.net>,'General<mailto:vicenterc at comcast.net<http://comcast.net>,'General>
> pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >
> > What about IMAC they have less attendance at the NATS than us. With their
> attendance I’m surprised the AMA will even give them a week. Not that I’m
> suggesting they don’t deserve a week. One of the issues I have with the NATS is
> that Intermediate and Advanced Pilots and those in MASTERS and FAI that don’t
> make the cut don’t get any more flights than a regular weekend contest. Perhaps
> more would attend if we offered every pilot 12 guaranteed flights. That would
> make it more likely that the west coasters would make the long trip to Muncie.
> >
> >
> >
> > No one gets hooked on RC by watching someone fly a park flyer. You get hooked
> by watching someone go crazy with a heli or an IMAC plane or the graceful flying
> of a pattern plane or the speed/wow factor of a jet or the roar of a 4 engine
> B-17. These are all endeavors that are not associated with the typical AMA
> member. If the AMA thinks they can survive without these folks then let them
> try. What these groups need to do is stop supporting the AMA with their
> articles, photos, etc. They’ll have nothing to draw the attention of new
> members. AMA membership will never be what it used to be because kids now a day
> are so much busier than they used to be and there are so many more thinks
> competing for their interest. We need to find a financially viable solution for
> both the NSRCA and the AMA not to mention all the other SIGS. Without the SIGS
> there would be no AMA.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>]
> On Behalf Of vicenterc at comcast.net<mailto:vicenterc at comcast.net><mailto:vicenterc at comcast.net>
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:20 PM
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >
> >
> >
> > Guys it is too early in the week to talk about good drinks. I got to work
> tomorrow.
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputter at gmail.com<mailto:vanputter at gmail.com><http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter@gmail.com>>
> > Sender: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org><http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:57:02
> > To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org><http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>>
> > Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org><http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >
> > For those who weren't there, we had several buses take us from the Tullahoma
> airport about 12 miles to the Jack Daniels' distillery for the "picnic". On the
> way back, there was a terrible thunderstorm. When I mentioned the storm to some
> attendee the next day, they said, "What thunderstorm?"
> >
> > BTW, what did they call that stuff they served? Was it Lynchburg Lemonade?
> It tasted wonderful and went down so smooth!
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:48 PM, John Fuqua wrote:
> >
> >> At least that part you remember
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org><http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org>
> >> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org><http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org>]
> On Behalf Of Ronald Van
> >> Putte
> >> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:47 PM
> >> To: General pattern discussion
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >>
> >> The bus ride back from the Jack Daniel's distillery was memorable!
> >>
> >> Ron
> >>
> >> On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
> >>
> >>> Scott, I think Ron is correct on this one (biting my tongue as I voice
> >> that!) Back then the NSRCA had no input what so ever. Obviously enough
> >> was wrong with the way the AMA ran the event to create a complete boycott of
> >> the nationals in lieu of the NPAC.
> >>>
> >>> Peter, has the nats every been in a vacation spot??? Hmmmm.
> >>> Lawrenceville, IL certainly wasn't, and even the Npac in Tullahoma
> >>> wasn't exactly family friendly (although I seem to recall a wicked
> >>> hangover from a very nice tour/picnic at the Jack Daniel's distillary)
> >>> Mark Atwood Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President
> >>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
> >>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Direct: 440-229-2502
> >>> Fax: 440.684.3102
> >>> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com><mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com><mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<http://paragon-inc.com><http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com>>
> |
> >>> www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com><http://www.paragon-inc.com/><http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Scott McHarg
> >> <scmcharg at gmail.com<mailto:scmcharg at gmail.com><mailto:scmcharg at gmail.com><mailto:scmcharg at gmail.com<http://gmail.com><http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scmcharg@gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> With all due respect to a very nice guy and a guy very involved with what
> >> goes on, I do not necessarily agree with your reason being over. The NSRCA
> >> does not have much say on how it is run at all. I will admit that they, at
> >> the very least, listen to our concerns now but the AMA runs the show.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Ronald Van Putte
> >> <vanputter at gmail.com<mailto:vanputter at gmail.com><mailto:vanputter at gmail.com><mailto:vanputter at gmail.com<http://gmail.com><http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter@gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> >>> We had N-PAC because AMA refused to permit NSRCA to have any say on how
> >> the Nats were run. That reason is over. Now we have to compete for Nats
> >> time with other SIGs. In my opinion, the best way to do that is to increase
> >> the number of Nats competitors in R/C Aerobatics.
> >>>
> >>> Ron
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:
> >>>
> >>> We also used to have NPAC. Now, we have to do what we can within the
> >> framework of the AMA and their time restraints. It is very unfortunate.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Charlie Rock
> >> <charlierock at me.com<mailto:charlierock at me.com><mailto:charlierock at me.com><mailto:charlierock at me.com<http://me.com><http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=charlierock@me.com>>>
> wrote:
> >>> And that is very very sad to hear!!! Charlie
> >>>
> >>> "When people are afraid of a government that is - Tyranny; And a
> >> government that is afraid of the people that is - Liberty."
> >> Thomas Jefferson
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Archie Stafford
> >> <astafford at md.metrocast.net<mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net><mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net><mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net<http://md.metrocast.net><http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=astafford@md.metrocast.net>>>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I completely agree Ron but those days are gone. The AMA is no longer
> >>> focused on competition like it used to be
> >>>
> >>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy ST III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------- Original message --------
> >>> From: Ronald Van Putte
> >>> <vanputter at gmail.com<mailto:vanputter at gmail.com><mailto:vanputter at gmail.com><mailto:vanputter at gmail.com<http://gmail.com><http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter@gmail.com>>>
> >>> Date:
> >>> To: General pattern discussion
> >>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.
> > <http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.%0b>>>
> org>>
> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I know that "suck" and "blow" are opposites, but that situation both
> >> "sucks" and "blows". We used to have a designated "checkin/practice" day
> >> and a "rain" day.
> >>>
> >>> Ron
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Archie Stafford wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mike,
> >>>
> >>> The AMA has shortened the total NATS period this year, so you read that
> >> correct. Fortunately, our actual flying days were not changed. Soaring went
> >> from 13 days to 6 days this year. In previous years, it was never truly our
> >> day, but it worked out that way as a day of setup for the workers. We have
> >> never had a true practice day, but since the sites were free, they were
> >> available. Sites 1 and 4 may be available, but that remains to be seen.
> >> Once Pylon is done then we will be able to use the sites. Think of it as
> >> how the others sites have worked on Saturdays in previous years.
> >>>
> >>> Archie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon 02/25/13 3:31 PM , mike mueller
> >> mups1953 at yahoo.com<mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com><mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com><mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com<http://yahoo.com><http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mups1953@yahoo.com>>
> sent:
> >>>
> >>> I have a question too.
> >>> On the AMA site they show RC Pylon still being there on the Sunday the
> >>> 21st. If that's the case will it stop us from practicing on that day?
> >>> Thanks, Mike
> >>>
> >>> --- On Mon, 2/25/13, Bob Kane wrote:
> >>>
> >>> From: Bob Kane
> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >>> To: "General pattern discussion"
> >>> Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 2:23 PM
> >>>
> >>> I sent a message on facebook, but here is my quesiton again via "real"
> >> email . . . .
> >>>
> >>> Am I set to work site 1 again this year? I am not going to try and
> >> compete and work as I did last year, it did not work out very well.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Bob Kane
> >>> getterflash at yahoo.com<mailto:getterflash at yahoo.com><mailto:getterflash at yahoo.com><mailto:getterflash at yahoo.com<http://yahoo.com><http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=getterflash@yahoo.com>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Archie Stafford
> >>> To: General pattern discussion
> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 11:03 AM
> >>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >>>
> >>> Just settled dates here at the NATS planning meeting. The official dates
> >> are now set and I want to get it out early.
> >>>
> >>> July 21-25.
> >>> Check-In is July 21.
> >>> Intermediate & Advanced flying July 22-24 Masters and FAI Prelims July
> >>> 22-24 Masters & FAI finals July 25
> >>>
> >>> Fees are the same as last year.
> >>> Early entry deadline: June 24
> >>> Late deadline: July 8
> >>>
> >>> Fees will once again double after June 24. Refunds can be issued up to 24
> >> hours prior to start, minus the AMA part, so if you register early and have
> >> to change, you can get your NSRCA fees back.
> >>>
> >>> Will update with more information later, but wanted to get the dates out
> >> for planning purposes.
> >>>
> >>> Arch
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